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« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2007, 05:45:49 PM » |
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I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!
That may have helped although it really shouldn't make a difference.
Taking it to Tribeca would show you are more serious about the allegations, as all you have at the moment is a chat log that may or may not be real. As it stands it is hard for anyone to take it seriously given no hard evidence. |
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« Reply #76 on: January 12, 2007, 06:11:00 PM » |
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Me being busto has nothing to do with this. I've been up and down for the past 2 years of me playing poker and don't come slandering innocent people when I am. Them being cheaters has everything to do with this. Many here have said "only tribeca has solid proof" then ask me to present solid proof. There is enough information here to draw your own conclusions. Anyone can ask for svindle and group to be investiagted WarDonkey so there is no need. Fact remains he admitted cheating to me and has no problem admitting that he has many accounts that end up on the same table together. He also has no problem admitting he doesn't care what happens and he almost seems to be bragging about everything that has happened.
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« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2007, 06:17:26 PM » |
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Do you realize what you are asking for? Handhistories of obvious cheating? Do you know how hard it would be to tell in a hand history obvious cheating by people who knew what they were doing? Any hand brenn and svindle played together on their various accounts is what I present as proof. My opinion of this is that i must be a cheat as i have often played cash games and STT's with people i know, more because i play at the same level as them. Does this A: Mean i'm a cheat (if it does i'm shocked) B: Mean i'm chip dumping if i lose a hand to them or vice versa them to me. One of the guys i used to play regularly, had a nasty habit of trying to steal my blind by going all in, sometimes i would call with an appropriate hand which would then show him having raised with 69 os or some such crap, this could be viewed as chip dumping but i for one know i'm in the clear. It does seem to me that there is a clear lack of evidence at the moment Just that they played at the same table does not mean cheating without any proof. |
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« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2007, 06:17:58 PM » |
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Only you seems to be aware of the players and the IDs involved. If you are serious about this, and want to be taken seriously, then you have to give this info to Tribeca for them to investigate.
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« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2007, 06:22:03 PM » |
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Also for arguements sake lets just say Tribeca finds them innocent. (For whatever reason, I can think of several reasons why they would and it not be for the purity of the game) All of a sudden am I a liar? Or does that just means the story COULD be false? Well if tribeca finds them guilty they COULD of been wrong. Why is this evidence not proof enough for you and why aren't svindles words enough? You talk about me slandering people... but they are letting themselves get slandered! They won't defend themselves. They know defending themselves will damn them.
Barhell- How about you read everything before you post in here. How about you respond to my quote in the context it was presented.
Wardonkey- I believe they are on my other computer or I can email my old affiliate manager and see if they still have the player ids. Either way Tribeca has ways of tracking it without me having to tell them. I know that tribeca knows all their accounts because support listed them off to svindle in a chat he copy and pasted to me in a msn chat. Also because for every new account you usually have to message support so they can unlock it so you can register a new real money account. To sum it up, tribeca is aware all they have to do is be told there is suspicious activity.
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« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2007, 06:22:28 PM » |
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Svindle admitting it to me is not an Egg? A hand history of them playing together is not an Egg? Them living in the same house is not an Egg? The way svindle is refusing to handle it is not an Egg?
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« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2007, 06:25:53 PM » |
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Berhell once again read all text relating to a topic before you come in here commenting things you haven't even attempted to inform yourself about. Only number 1. hasn't been shown because that chat log is on my other computer. Also that chat log wouldn't convince naysayers anyways so there is no point in getting my fan fixed to get it. People like you want stone cold hand histories to prove it... it just shows how many are ignorant to the subject of colluding.
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« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2007, 06:38:01 PM » |
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I have done all I can or care to do. If this has stopped one person from getting cheated by them it was a success. This has become a post targetted against me and nitpicking what people consider "proof". Take everything with a grain of salt if you want. The information is now there.
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« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2007, 06:39:19 PM » |
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Berhell once again read all text relating to a topic before you come in here commenting things you haven't even attempted to inform yourself about. Only number 1. hasn't been shown because that chat log is on my other computer. Also that chat log wouldn't convince naysayers anyways so there is no point in getting my fan fixed to get it. People like you want stone cold hand histories to prove it... it just shows how many are ignorant to the subject of colluding.
I read all the text i just don't see any proof just accusations, by not going to tribeca is the point where i think you let your own arcument down. What does people like me mean, do you mean someone who doesn't believe something said by someone without being shown any proof, i may be a sceptic but i don't believe in ghosts until i get proof or see one for myself so i don't believe everything that gets posted on the interenet. |
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« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2007, 06:49:11 PM » |
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Is it just this forum that has this thread? Do you think the player concerned will know about this thread . I don't know if they are guilty/innocent but they should know about this thread
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« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2007, 07:15:27 PM » |
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Is it just this forum that has this thread? Do you think the player concerned will know about this thread . I don't know if they are guilty/innocent but they should know about this thread
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« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2007, 07:19:40 PM » |
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Is it just this forum that has this thread? Do you think the player concerned will know about this thread . I don't know if they are guilty/innocent but they should know about this thread
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« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2007, 07:22:45 PM » |
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I think a lot of you are underestimating the subtlety of organised collusion in nl. It is not about squeezing players in big pots, it is just about depriving them of profitable situations. A bet lost here and there is enough, but very difficult to prove.
The man has posted a warning - if you're winning in the game fine, but I won't be playing there.
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« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2007, 10:42:34 PM » |
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Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says: So you purposely lost to me all these years? Sindre Sturle says: i got 2 mill us in my account Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says: I'm 18, I don't have a family to support  |
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« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2007, 12:53:13 AM » |
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Yes I'm 18.. what does that change? I've given 10,000's in rakeback to my clients. Why would one question my honesty on this subject?
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