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« on: January 11, 2007, 04:27:53 AM »

I've just got back from Leeds Grovesnor casino. I managed to come 2nd in the £20 tournament, netting £270.

I then sat down to play the cash game with £60 in front of me. Blinds 50p/£1.

First hand i limped with  (because i could already see one guy counting his chips out for a raise!!). He raised to £5, 4 players called. SO i jsut shipped it all in for £55 more and took down the £30 pot.

Then a mental thing happened. Id love to know ALL of your opinions on this please.

I was dealt  on the BB. 3 callers.

Flop was    . Everyone checked.

The turn was the  , to which one player a young lad called Adam, a cocky, cheeky player who bluffs a lot and came 3rd in the tournament made it £2. I raised to £4 and he called.

The river was fantastic. The  . Quads!!! He then raised £5. I made it £15, to which Adam replied make it £50.

It didnt take me long to move all in for all his chips.

He then got up from the table grabbed his money (the £35 he was raising) and claimed he had just called, despite 4 people hearing him say £50. He turned over  for the bluff. IPretty clear he didnt just call.

Everyone on the table was screaming at him, but he simply took his money and ran out of the casino. The last thing i could do was batter him there and then in the casino, because i had no wish to be banned from the casino after being up about £330. for the sake of just £35.

But all the other players on the table are all know going to refuse to ever play cash with him again and his reputation at the casino is in absolute tatters. Why hes done this for the sake of £35 when he won £160 in the tournament i have no idea. He wont be returning for a while, if he ever does.

I won £400 in total, hitting a Full House on the next hand, so im not too bothered, but everyone of course made a huge deal of it, and i basically just wondered if this sort of thing has happened to other players, and what the hell i couldve done in that situation with no actual written or recorded proof!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 04:41:10 AM »

never seen anything as bad as that , worst ive seen was in cincins in glasgow where a player won a £400 pot in a £1/£1 game  then just got up and went to cash in everyone was like "where the f*** are you going you have to call half an hr"! to which he repied im still down im outa here, which he wasnt he was up about 300. everyone was maoning and shouting obviously and he was basically told dont come back to my knowledge he never did although ive been in for a good while. makes you wonder why the guy did that at ur table if he plays there abit bit pointless really for the sake of 35 sheets
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 04:47:25 AM »

Lol, he sounds like quite the spiz.

Nice win, at least you were in a position to laugh your head off about it.

Unsure as to what difference a house dealer would have made. He could have still made his bid for freedom if determined enough. I have an image in my head of Ocean's Eleven, the closest guy who ever got to robbing a Las Vegas casino, and the manny running across the parking lot to You Take My Breath Away
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 04:54:46 AM »


But all the other players on the table are all know going to refuse to ever play cash with him again


Noooooo

If he is to sort who likes to spunk off daft bluffs every time he get's mini-rasied on the turn in unraised pots, then I'd still sit with him next week.

It may even be +EV to pay you £35 not to batter him.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 05:12:43 AM »

Unsure as to what difference a house dealer would have made. He could have still made his bid for freedom if determined enough. I have an image in my head of Ocean's Eleven, the closest guy who ever got to robbing a Las Vegas casino, and the manny running across the parking lot to You Take My Breath Away

This is absolute comedy from you. Ive seen the film and now i just get an image of him running away wiht a determined look, holding his prize £35.

Id still like to know other peoples opinions later today please.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 06:28:49 AM »

As you know i play alot in leeds i think i have came across this adam (iam an adam but its not me)at gala. and his trick there was to splash the pot tio try and be a few quid short on a call.

i think you find the money means to much to him. and he should not be in a casino for that reason. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 07:55:04 AM »

id break his nose
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 08:53:28 AM »

As you know i play alot in leeds i think i have came across this adam (iam an adam but its not me)at gala. and his trick there was to splash the pot tio try and be a few quid short on a call.

i think you find the money means to much to him. and he should not be in a casino for that reason. 

I thought it didn't sound like something you would do... but the J9 bluff did have me wondering!
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 09:14:21 AM »

Fold.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2007, 09:36:55 AM »



Unsure as to what difference a house dealer would have made.

With a house dealer he could have got a ruling, cardroom supervisors will not make rulings on punter/dealer cash games.

That certainly was the case when Nightfly was at Nottingham.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 09:40:09 AM »

Tell me this was not at the Moortown one? gratz on the result btw.

Back to playing live when Uni exams finished Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2007, 01:54:59 PM »

shocking.

wouldnt have left the car park  in any toon casino, i guarantee you.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2007, 02:02:53 PM »

Did no-one inform the casino staff of this?. Although there is no dealer, and possibly no session charge, the casino is still hosting the game and has a duty of care for it's patrons.

Casino's are not keen on on cheats and thieves and would ban the bloke if they had sufficient evidence, a table full of witnesses is more than enough evidence.

A manager can also decide to make you a descretionary payment of £35 from the cashdesk, to compensate you or at least comp you a meal.

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 02:22:31 PM »

Why not report it to the police? You have a table full of witnesses, the casino will provide the police with his name and address, problem solved.

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2007, 02:39:02 PM »

#Once the money is actually put in the pot. He raised you called. It is not his money anymore. It is theft pure and simple.

Call the police.

Y would anyone want to play with a thief?

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