P4C

[ripple11]

The total raised at leg 1 of the GUKPT was £1,140. 100% of this is being donated to the Bolton Hospice. I'd like to thank everyone who donated and I hope you enjoyed your massages. The masseuses were only there on Saturday and Sunday.

We will be supporting another local good cause at leg 2 of the Tour in Walsall next month.

A great idea.....well done to Jon and fellow organisors for coming up with it.

[thetank]

Well done Blue Square, that's great stuff.

[marcro]

   
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All noted & agreed. We can't force them to respond on here, but by not doing so, they know how bad it looks. It's their decison. In the absence of responses, folks will draw their own conclusions. I hope they do respond, & I've encouraged Andy to do so.

I'd remind you though that P4C is NOT a Charity, & as such, not subject to Charity Commission disciplines.
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Are you sure they are aware of how they are perceived?  I do not think so because if they were, surely they would have come forth with the information they agreed to post if it was all above board?  If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then.......................

[tikay]

The total raised at leg 1 of the GUKPT was £1,140. 100% of this is being donated to the Bolton Hospice. I'd like to thank everyone who donated and I hope you enjoyed your massages. The masseuses were only there on Saturday and Sunday.

We will be supporting another local good cause at leg 2 of the Tour in Walsall next month.

Brilliant, well done Jonathan.

[thediceman]

The total raised at leg 1 of the GUKPT was £1,140. 100% of this is being donated to the Bolton Hospice. I'd like to thank everyone who donated and I hope you enjoyed your massages. The masseuses were only there on Saturday and Sunday.

We will be supporting another local good cause at leg 2 of the Tour in Walsall next month.

Brilliant, well done Jonathan.

Tikay originally said that £1,200 had been raised, where's the missing £60   











OK, I know Tikay only said "I believe it was £1,200". Naughty Diceman  lol

[tikay]

I have to admit I am still confused..the name poker4charity would assume that it is indeed a charity, but Tony you are saying its not?

Game4life is a registered charity which poker and various other sports contribute to. How can it not be a charity?

I am a bit dissappointed that Andy has not up till now posted the relevant information that has been asked.

Ang did her best and posted what she knew and a big thumbs up to her...Trace bless her..tried her best to defend p4c in the only way she knows how...slag everyone off LOL.

Saying that when I posted a "give them time to explain" post I was also attacked so maybe I can see her reasoning.

The way I see it is that a meeting took place before Christmas where Stacey got the money that was due to her...and that Andy would report on p4c forum all the relevant information that we all want to know.

This has not happened.

Ball is in your court Andy.

It is my clear understanding that Poker 4 Charity is NOT a Registered Charity, & by definition, not a Charity at all. It's simply a Trading Name.

Game4Life IS a Registered Charity. Game4Life Enterprises Limited is a Limited Company. Money collected by P4C is "unregulated", they can do whatever they wish with it, quite legally. I assume they choose to divide it all between the Charity & the Limited Company. I have no idea how they divide up the money collected by P4C between the Charity & the Limited Company. But as you can see, it makes working out the "what % is given to Charity" well-nigh impossible to keep track of.

I too am surprised & disappointed that Andy has not got back to us, as he promised he would. But then again, I know he's in a helluva tough spot - I honestly & truly believe he's doing all he can, but only has limited access to the info he needs. When Tom, Andy, Tony & myself met in Stoke., much of the meeting was held under "off the record" rules, so a great deal of info I have I am not at liberty to discuss, and it's up to Andy to provide the info, I am not prepared to go against that "off the record" discussion. It's possible, of course, that it's been published elsewhere, perhaps on the P4C Forum, I don't know.

Yes, Ang did try & help, I have nothing but respect & admiration for her. Yes, Trace defended the P4C corner like a Lion, again, I respect her immensely for that.

All this bad blood & angst, folks set against each other, all caused  by poor communication really. The blondes donated the money, it was for a charitable cause, they are entitled to total transparency. It took a very long time to sort this, a delay that was not necessary.

None of the monies collected belonged to anyone except the Charity, but we are absolutely & 100% entitled to full transparency. That's only right & proper, but P4C is wholly unregulated, so we have no recourse except to desist from donating until & unless we see where the money goes, & promptly too. To to my mind, P4C, & the two G4Life's have only themselves to blame. I have been accused by senior people in Poker of mischief-making in this matter- I utterly deny that.

It's unlikely that the blondes will donate again to P4C/G4L until there are answers, so the ball is in their court.

The suggeston that it was "just incompetence" does not wash with me. Having been openly criticised over several months, it's not "incompetence" that causes them not to respond, it's just they choose not to. That's not incompetence which is, by definition, "inadvertent", or "a mistake". They could not possibly have "forgotten" to tell us, they must have chosen not to. That's not incompetence, thats a concious decision.

Hence blonde now have strict rules on Fund-Raising via our Forum.

So you must draw your own conclusions  about the whole affair until or unless we are given the facts.

I have never suggested, & am not doing so now, that anything "sinister" or dishonest has occurred. I am happy to openly state my view on this openly - no financial dishonesty (i.e., theft) is involved.  Lack of clarity, & much muddying of the water, yes. Very hard to understand, all this.

Good intentions by all, no doubt about that, but the wheels came off somewhere along the way.

[tikay]

The total raised at leg 1 of the GUKPT was £1,140. 100% of this is being donated to the Bolton Hospice. I'd like to thank everyone who donated and I hope you enjoyed your massages. The masseuses were only there on Saturday and Sunday.

We will be supporting another local good cause at leg 2 of the Tour in Walsall next month.

Brilliant, well done Jonathan.

Tikay originally said that £1,200 had been raised, where's the missing £60   











OK, I know Tikay only said "I believe it was £1,200". Naughty Diceman  lol

Behave, you......

I actually wanted a massage by one of those rather lovely Ladies, but at my time of life, it's not wise to get involved in these thngs. They might break something. Like one of my blood vessels.

[The_nun]

I would like to thank you guys for your continued support with Reece and take this chance to update you on his progress.

Friday 12 January Stacey received a call from Birmingham Children's Hospital, it was the results of Reece recent tests to see if there is anything they can do for him now his livers are very poor. Unfortunately the only choice we have now is to either take a chance with a bowl and liver transplant or nothing. Stacey will be taking Reece back down there on sunday where he will receive some more tests, then if she agrees, he will be placed the the transplant list. Bowl transplants are very tricky op's so Stacey will be offered counseling to prepare her for when the time comes that there is a matched donor available and also a lot of other things she will have to be prepared for. We do not have any idea when this will happen, as you are all aware, it will take the family of another child to donate organs in order for Reece to have a chance of life, and we all know what an horrific decision that would be for someone already dealing with the passing of a child will be.

Anyway here are acouple of piccy's fom this weekend.




 One is for you Tony, yesterday we took Reece on his 1st train journey as he too loves the trains. He didn't manage to stay awake too long but he enjoyed it whilst he did.

[Dingdell]

Such a sweet little face - doesn't deserve his troubles. x

[The_nun]

Tx Dign, thought we would portray how he still enjoys the little things in life.

[snoopy1239]

I know Reece is exceedingly unwell, but what exactly is his condition, if I may be so bold to ask.

best wishes

snoops

[The Baron]

It is my clear understanding that Poker 4 Charity is NOT a Registered Charity, & by definition, not a Charity at all. It's simply a Trading Name.

Game4Life IS a Registered Charity. Game4Life Enterprises Limited is a Limited Company. Money collected by P4C is "unregulated", they can do whatever they wish with it, quite legally. I assume they choose to divide it all between the Charity & the Limited Company. I have no idea how they divide up the money collected by P4C between the Charity & the Limited Company. But as you can see, it makes working out the "what % is given to Charity" well-nigh impossible to keep track of.

I have never posted in this thread or any P4C/G4L thread until now but this paragraph and the line above it amazes me.

Why would a registered charity need to set up an "unregulated" traing name with which to collect money? Why not just do it through the registered charity? If I'm being thick here I apologise.

[The_nun]

I know Reece is exceedingly unwell, but what exactly is his condition, if I may be so bold to ask.

best wishes

snoops

Reece was born with a protruding bowl, there is a technical name for this but basically, his bowl was on the outside of his tummy, he was op'd on the day he was born to return the bowl to the correct place, this was unsuccessful, so 6 weeks later , when Reece was 40 weeks term time they op's again , to investigate how much damaged had occured, unfortunatly it was a lot, so they had to remove all but 17cm of his bowl leaving him with short gut. He has fought long and hard for his life and has reached a very advanced 2 yrs, he is totaly reliant on TPN which is fed into a central vein. This
TPN has killed his livers along with line infections.

[charmaine]

What a beautiful little boy Nun ,  i really dont know what to say , but pray this year will see him reach his 3 rd birthday fit and well , love and kisses to Reece xxx

[tikay]

It is my clear understanding that Poker 4 Charity is NOT a Registered Charity, & by definition, not a Charity at all. It's simply a Trading Name.

Game4Life IS a Registered Charity. Game4Life Enterprises Limited is a Limited Company. Money collected by P4C is "unregulated", they can do whatever they wish with it, quite legally. I assume they choose to divide it all between the Charity & the Limited Company. I have no idea how they divide up the money collected by P4C between the Charity & the Limited Company. But as you can see, it makes working out the "what % is given to Charity" well-nigh impossible to keep track of.

I have never posted in this thread or any P4C/G4L thread until now but this paragraph and the line above it amazes me.

Why would a registered charity need to set up an "unregulated" traing name with which to collect money? Why not just do it through the registered charity? If I'm being thick here I apologise.

I assume your questions are rhetorical, but in any event, it would be wrong for me to attempt to answer them, that is for P4C/G4L.