whooppinggggg and hollering , good or bad fpr poker

[Acidmouse]

If someone is caught up in the moment and is geniunly showing emotion thats fine, you can do it in such a way that its not in the losing persons face.

Over celebrating vocally is different, I have never signed up to this behaviour I think it lacks class tbh.

[KingPoker]

Right even though i consider myself to have very good discipline both online and live i can see why people perhaps would step over the line. I play my poker based on 2 major rules

1) To make as few as mistakes as possible
2) To gain an ede over your opponents.

And its rule 2 that would give rise to the debating topic. If you honestly feel behaving like an idiot at the table, bad mouthing people, celebrating suckouts (major and obvious example, Tony G), gives you an advantage at your table then you should be allowed to do it. Boldie made a very good point about this drawing more attention to your cards and how you play them. This is very true but only if you are a NOVICE at the game. The more informed player would understand that the others hae seen the him raise with 10 8os to 3 and a half times BB in late position and will next time make the same play with a premium hand. After all switching gears and plays must be considered to be the norm!
So must it not be considered as another form of SKILL? TO ACT LIKE AN MORON SUCCESSFULY AND GET PAYED!!!!!!

I must point out again this is not how i play, but i can be open eyed to understanding why people are doing it. And im sorry to say then if you are you are not psychologically strong enough to take that then perhaps the problem lies witin you and not the abusive player. It is all well and good being a gentleman but if there is another form or style of play that would increase your bankroll then i would encourage anyone to persue it (p.s. not saying that acting like abusive and name caling is THE most successful way of playing but if its works for an individual then carry on!)

And if we are to believe what the Gutshot and other cardrooms are trying to prove is true. That poker is a game of skill and therefore considered a sport then you have to be psychologically tough enoughto compete. I myself am a rugby player and know (from practrise) that if i am not willing to take the biggest hit from the largest opposing player then i really shouldt be playing rugby!!! (wish my bones would hurry up and heal!!!!!!)

  KingPoker    

[I, Zimbra]

It is true that tournament poker carries an awful lot of skill, but in the short term there is a LOT of luck, and being in-their-face to someone when you've just gotten lucky on a single hand could still be legitimately considered inappropriate behaviour, mainly because everyone gets their money in in bad spots from time to time, even the best players, and need the luck.

Recognising that the shoe could easily be on the other foot - and probably will, for everyone, before the tournament is out - and behaving appropriately is something I would term as classy, I think the adjective is an apt one.

So, if it's an uncontrollable release of adrenaline a la Jac-O-"Ram-ya!" then I suppose that's something that one could take, but the players now high-fiving the rail while the tournament is still going, that's... well.... something else. Not sure that it's good for the game, really.

(Mind you, didn't Chip Reese kinda do it to Andy Bloch at the final of the $50k HORSE...? )

[AndrewT]

In a game of complete skill I can just about make out an argument for being able to do big displays of SHIP IT HOLLA if I have shown myself to be better than my opponent, an opponent who had form for the same sort of thing.

For example, if I'd beaten TonyG at chess, and he'd been giving it the usual mouth during the match then, yeah, I might return it with interest at the end. I wouldn't do it to someone like Red-Dog.

However, there never is this huge gulf of skill in a poker hand. Running about and high-fiving your friends when a randomly shuffled pack of cards happens to produce a particular card on the river as opposed to any of the others make you seem like, well, a bit of a knob.

[tikay]

In a game of complete skill I can just about make out an argument for being able to do big displays of SHIP IT HOLLA if I have shown myself to be better than my opponent, an opponent who had form for the same sort of thing.

For example, if I'd beaten TonyG at chess, and he'd been giving it the usual mouth during the match then, yeah, I might return it with interest at the end. I wouldn't do it to someone like Red-Dog.

However, there never is this huge gulf of skill in a poker hand. Running about and high-fiving your friends when a randomly shuffled pack of cards happens to produce a particular card on the river as opposed to any of the others make you seem like, well, a bit of a knob.

when a randomly shuffled pack of cards happens to produce a particular card on the river as opposed to any of the others make you seem like, well, a bit of a knob.


Beautifuly put Sir!

[I, Zimbra]

I agree, I like Andrew's post better than mine.

[KingPoker]

but my argument is not how that makes you look jumping around but the effect on the other player. It HAS to have a negative effect on the player which is positive for you. Its not a physical game, its psycological,so you should be psychologically tough and therefore whatever he does should not affect you one bit! Surely thats what seperates the losers from the winners!

[AndrewT]

I agree, I like Andrew's post better than mine.

WHOA, YEAH!!! IN YOUR FACE OTHER POSTERS!!!!

*runs round board with shirt over head*

[KingPoker]

but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU 

[RED-DOG]

I think "Bit of a knob" should be shortened to "Boak" and inducted into poker language as a technical term.

[tikay]

but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU 

Well, with respect, if the guy has been busted by a suckout, one can hoot & holler & table-bang all night & it ain't gonna affect his game now.....so how does that square with your logic? Is it still OK to do it - 'cos they do, believe me, they do.

[AndrewT]

but my argument is not how that makes you look jumping around but the effect on the other player. It HAS to have a negative effect on the player which is positive for you. Its not a physical game, its psycological,so you should be psychologically tough and therefore whatever he does should not affect you one bit! Surely thats what seperates the losers from the winners!

Why must it have a negative effect?

[KingPoker]

but nobody is contesting my points- MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRU 

Well, with respect, if the guy has been busted by a suckout, one can hoot & holler & table-bang all night & it ain't gonna affect his game now.....so how does that square with your logic? Is it still OK to do it - 'cos they do, believe me, they do.

Thats very tru tk but my argument is more centred around during the game. The suckout does not sprecifically have to apply to a kockout hand, it just has to apply to one that could potentially turn the game around for each of the players. With the playing suffering surely it makes sense to keep on at him to force him to possibly give you the rest of their chips.

p.s I dont know why im defending it so much. I am a player who is about as opposite as you can get from them!

[I, Zimbra]

King,

Not everybody views the game in that way though.

The game isn't "who can insult the other player the most to put them on tilt", although some people try to employ that weapon.

You can tilt someone up just fine and still lose. You can try and tilt them up and actually make them more determined to beat you.

There are very few competitive endeavours where this kind of behaviour is acceptable; tennis players don't generally go high-fiving the crowd when they get a lucky net-court, for example. Actually, quite the opposite - they usually hold their hand up to acknowledge the fact that they got lucky and 'didn't deserve' the point. Similarly, when a player mis-tosses the tennis ball and has to abort a serve halfway through, there is usually a tacit apology for that as well, as their opponent has probably been put off guard by it.

Yet tennis still has a huge psychological component to it, look at a player like Marat Safin as an example of someone who is technically gifted but who arguably has underachieved as a player because of his (lack of) mental composure.

If this kind of behaviour - over-celebrating a single lucky hand - were eliminated from poker, I reckon it would go some way to giving tournament poker more "sporting" credibility than it currently has.

[KingPoker]

but my argument is not how that makes you look jumping around but the effect on the other player. It HAS to have a negative effect on the player which is positive for you. Its not a physical game, its psycological,so you should be psychologically tough and therefore whatever he does should not affect you one bit! Surely thats what seperates the losers from the winners!

Why must it have a negative effect?

This goes back to the big post  made earlier where it is more likely to have an effect on a novice who isnt used to it. Like i said in the big one i know for a fact a pro wouldnt allow i to effect them