I'll deliberately tune in to watch....Jade?

[BrumBilly]

I saw a couple of episodes before the main rumpus kicked off and I thought there were racist attitudes coming to the fore. The kind of banal racism that I see in evidence pretty much every day from every ethnic group. On Question Time last night all the panellists were of the opinion that the attitudes on show in the BB house aren't a reflection of wider society, I beg to differ, whether it be racist 'whites', 'blacks' or 'asians' it's endemic in our society. Best WE can do is challenge these views wherever practically possible and not let the nastiness of others contaminate our thoughts/values.

[suzanne]

Anyone notice Jade saying "I can't talk about one of the names I called her, because you told me not to"  

At the beginning of the interview some of the people in the audience told her to stop saying it - I presumed that was who the 'you' was here.

Exactly...when she repeated the poppadum name people in the audience were telling her not to say it again.

I dont think she is a racist ...a bully im not so sure about either. She has been branded a bully because the other 2 girls were "on her side" and sniggering in the background. Danielle is a little sht stirrer and has sat back watching with glee as Jade has hung herself out to dry.

IMO Jade speaks her mind and this has just been a clash of personalities...I really hope Jade has a strong enough character to come through this.

She must be 1 very frightened and upset lady tonight.

[suzanne]

I saw a couple of episodes before the main rumpus kicked off and I thought there were racist attitudes coming to the fore. The kind of banal racism that I see in evidence pretty much every day from every ethnic group. On Question Time last night all the panellists were of the opinion that the attitudes on show in the BB house aren't a reflection of wider society, I beg to differ, whether it be racist 'whites', 'blacks' or 'asians' it's endemic in our society. Best WE can do is challenge these views wherever practically possible and not let the nastiness of others contaminate our thoughts/values.

But where do you draw the line???

I am Scottish and live in England, I get called "sweaty sock" "tight as a ducks ar$e" and varies other names that are associated with my origin.

Its like calling all Irish "thick" and reminding the Welsh of their love of the wildlife...it will only be taken as offensive if the person it has been said to takes offence.

This has been blown up out of next to nothing in my opinion.

[BrumBilly]

If people in my company use terms like 'these people don't cook their food properly' and the like, I challenge them as to who 'these people' are and what distinguishes 'us' from 'them'. I don't call the Irish 'thick' and try to avoid nationalist stereotypes like that. Either way, what I saw on BB was more incidious IMO and in the examples I'm referring to there was a nasty racist undertone aimed towards 'asians'. Interestingly, this came from the other two girls, not Jade. The fact that many people think it's ok to use the word 'paki' in everyday speech is symptomatic of the problem. All too often people that question/challenge such usage get labelled as 'pc' or 'oversensitive' which for my money is totally backward/ignorant thinking.

[Colchester Kev]

IMHO Jade is too thick to even realise that she is wrong, Ditto Mr Sherringhams bird (he must be so embarrassed of her, but serves him right for copping off with an airhead like her in the first place)

Educating people is the only way forward, and by this being so public, it will surely make people think a bit more.


Personally, I hope Jade Goodie disappears down the toilet and never darkens british TV screens again, she is indicative of the "Celebrity culture" in this country .... And it is getting more and more difficult to distinguish between fame and celebrity.

Ask kids at school to name 5 famous people ..... I bet you would be surprised by their answers.
And when you get those answers, ask them what exactly they are famous for ...then piss yourself laughing as they tell you.

it is also my opinion that Ch4 should be severely punished for allowing this to happen.

Just one last thing to ponder, If Lauren Harries (sofa's best friend) had been in the house, and victimised and segregated as shilpa was, Would we have the same uproar ?  It would have still been equally appalling in my mind, but i fear it wouldnt have been seen as such by the public/media.

[suzanne]

IMHO Jade is too thick to even realise that she is wrong, Ditto Mr Sherringhams bird (he must be so embarrassed of her, but serves him right for copping off with an airhead like her in the first place)

Educating people is the only way forward, and by this being so public, it will surely make people think a bit more.


Personally, I hope Jade Goodie disappears down the toilet and never darkens british TV screens again, she is indicative of the "Celebrity culture" in this country .... And it is getting more and more difficult to distinguish between fame and celebrity.

Ask kids at school to name 5 famous people ..... I bet you would be surprised by their answers.
And when you get those answers, ask them what exactly they are famous for ...then piss yourself laughing as they tell you.

it is also my opinion that Ch4 should be severely punished for allowing this to happen.

Just one last thing to ponder, If Lauren Harries (sofa's best friend) had been in the house, and victimised and segregated as shilpa was, Would we have the same uproar ?  It would have still been equally appalling in my mind, but i fear it wouldnt have been seen as such by the public/media.

  SPOT ON!!!

[BrumBilly]

Good point about 'Sofa's' neighbour.

Confused as to how the following statements are in any way consistent tho:


"This has been blown up out of next to nothing in my opinion."


" SPOT ON!!!"

[Colchester Kev]

I dont think she is a racist ...a bully im not so sure about either. She has been branded a bully because the other 2 girls were "on her side" and sniggering in the background. Danielle is a little sht stirrer and has sat back watching with glee as Jade has hung herself out to dry.

She is BOTH.

She must be 1 very frightened and upset lady tonight.

Frightened and upset about being exposed as a bully and a racist ?

OR

Frightened and upset about pissing away her future earning potential ?

[Rooky9]

I bet Jade has never been to a country without a western culture, if she had I think a lot of it would have been avoided. What she said was as a result of being very naive

[FlyingPig]

I bet Jade has never been to a country without a western culture, if she had I think a lot of it would have been avoided. What she said was as a result of being very naive

They did show a video of a Jade on a trip to India, saying this proves that she can't be racist. 

Ah well, I agree with Kev, lets hope she never gets back on TV. She has enough money to go and hide away with (between 4-8 Million, if the reports are true) and never be seen again.

Or is this another way of getting more money. More magazine spreads, and you know women will by these in their droves.

[Sark79]

IMHO Jade is too thick to even realise that she is wrong, Ditto Mr Sherringhams bird (he must be so embarrassed of her, but serves him right for copping off with an airhead like her in the first place)

Educating people is the only way forward, and by this being so public, it will surely make people think a bit more.


Personally, I hope Jade Goodie disappears down the toilet and never darkens british TV screens again, she is indicative of the "Celebrity culture" in this country .... And it is getting more and more difficult to distinguish between fame and celebrity.

Ask kids at school to name 5 famous people ..... I bet you would be surprised by their answers.
And when you get those answers, ask them what exactly they are famous for ...then piss yourself laughing as they tell you.

it is also my opinion that Ch4 should be severely punished for allowing this to happen.

Just one last thing to ponder, If Lauren Harries (sofa's best friend) had been in the house, and victimised and segregated as shilpa was, Would we have the same uproar ?  It would have still been equally appalling in my mind, but i fear it wouldnt have been seen as such by the public/media.

I agree


When I was at School, my hero's were all sports people, nowadays Kids look up to people like Jade Goody or some X Factor singer.

[Mango99]

How depressing to hear that Jade got a whopping 21% of people voting to keep her in the house.  Were these people voting to keep her in as they wanted to see a bloodbath, or do they genuinely support her behaviour?

Who knows? Either way it's a pretty shocking figure that doesn't reflect well on the UK. I was anticpating (hoping) at least 95%/5% in favour of Jade getting evicted.

[tantrum]

How depressing to hear that Jade got a whopping 21% of people voting to keep her in the house.  Were these people voting to keep her in as they wanted to see a bloodbath, or do they genuinely support her behaviour?

Who knows? Either way it's a pretty shocking figure that doesn't reflect well on the UK. I was anticpating (hoping) at least 95%/5% in favour of Jade getting evicted.

perhaps this 21% hate Shilpa?

[M3boy]

I have not read the whole of this thread, but will have my 2p's worth anyway.

My initial thoughts of Shilpa was that I did not like her attitude at all - quotes like "I am very famous, and would be upset if people did not recognise me or talk about me" made me feel that way. NOT the colour of her skin.

This country (imo) has gone too far (as it has with children "you cant hit me" etc...). People use the racist card far far too often. Yes Racism needs to be stamped out, but I do not think ANY of the antics in the BB house constituted racism. Nor do I think any of the antics were bullying.
I was bullied at school and what went on in BB house was not bullying (imo).

All that happened was a very outspoken girl (Jade) took a dislike to Shilpa (who happened not to be English). Pure and simple.

If you reverse the personalities of Jade and Shilpa, and it was Shilpa that was outspoken about her feelings towards Jade, do you honestly think ANYONE would of called Shilpa a racist? Of course not!!

Or, if Shilpa had been English, do you think there would be the same uproar? Again of course not.

Blown out of all proportion?? Hell yes!!

Jade got a hard time from Divina and I thought she handled it very well.

[barhell]

i do think shilpa is a little up herself IMO, also i must agree that the racism card is brandished too often i had a disagreement with a driver in Southall who had enough room to drive a bus out of a parking space but couldn't get there VW Golf out of it, because i said "you should learn to drive mate", they then accused me of being racist because they were Asian.
In my work i deal with people of all races and religion day in day out and as a result i have come to the conclusion that you can be an Ahole wether you are White, Black, Yellow, Green, Pink or Mauve and i treat people on that basis.
If someone treats me like an idiot i will happily treat them the same way, as i will respect anyone who treats me with respect.