I'll deliberately tune in to watch....Jade?

[KingPoker]

SUITED JOK- I DID READ YOUR POST AND REPLED WITH WHAT WAS A CORRECT REACTION TO YOUR POST!

I THINK YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MISREAD THE THREADS.

AS I HAVE POSTED 3 TIMES!!! NOW ON THE POINT OF MY THREAD BEING THAT YOU CAN NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SOME1 BEING CALLED A PAKI BASTARD TO A FAT BASTARD. THEN YOU CAME STORMING IN THINKING I WAS SAYING ITS OK TO BE RACIST. I DONT. IM GOING TO TRY AND FIND MY FAV POSTER ON THE NET KNOW NOW WHICH SHOWS WHAT I THINK OF RACISTS!

[Sheriff Fatman]

I also find it funny by making that statement i am thrown in the same boat as being a racist. Everyone is telling me how wrong I am yet is unable to provide any facts numbers %'s etc.

Calling someone a racial derogatory term is bang out of order slagging someone about their personal appearance is also not justified I am just trying to go to some lengths as to distinguish the different severites of the two.

Did you even read my post? Looks like you just skimmed it and put 2+2 together to get 6.

You seem to think that one form of physical discrimination is 'better' than another.

[boldie]

I am still somewhat stunned that people consider someone being called a Paki-bastard the same as calling someone a fat bastard.
I am not condoning calling people fat bastards but I think it's fair to say that calling someone a fat bastard would be called bullying..whereas calling someone  a paki bastard is essentially always racist.

and I do think there's a difference between bullying and racism (not condoning either obviously)

[Sheriff Fatman]

Kingpoker, you can still be passionate without the capital letters!

Thanks.

Sheriff (with Mods hat on again)

[Suited_Jock]

I also find it funny by making that statement i am thrown in the same boat as being a racist. Everyone is telling me how wrong I am yet is unable to provide any facts numbers %'s etc.

Calling someone a racial derogatory term is bang out of order slagging someone about their personal appearance is also not justified I am just trying to go to some lengths as to distinguish the different severites of the two.

Did you even read my post? Looks like you just skimmed it and put 2+2 together to get 6.

You seem to think that one form of physical discrimination is 'better' than another.

Where did I state that? Where did I say its ok to slag someone for their physical appearance?

[Sheriff Fatman]

and I do think there's a difference between bullying and racism (not condoning either obviously)

I think much of the Big Brother stuff was bullying, regardless of whether or not it was racially motivated.  Even if Jade could categorically prove she hadn't been racist, there's no denying she, and the others, were bullying in that situation.

I've also read somewhere that Jade is involved in an anti-bullying campaign, which I find somewhat ironic.

[tantrum]

Ok I think we mix two things here.

Bullying is terrible, and perhaps if more people who are subjected to fattism should stand up and encourage others not to tolerate fattists remarks.

If a kid is bullied at school because of his/her weight there are measures in place to force the school to take neccessary steps to prevent the bullying and punish the bullies.

But so far we dont have a political party who promotes fattism, I haven't heard of riots and violence against a community of larger people, I haven't heard of fattist' motivated murders.  


Racism is a terrible thing, it is used for political purposes, to dehumanise others and to say that racism is not as terrible as bullying is plain ignorant

[KingPoker]

I am still somewhat stunned that people consider someone being called a Paki-bastard the same as calling someone a fat bastard.
I am not condoning calling people fat bastards but I think it's fair to say that calling someone a fat bastard would be called bullying..whereas calling someone  a paki bastard is essentially always racist.

and I do think there's a difference between bullying and racism (not condoning either obviously)

I just dont think that the one is any more or less acceptable than the other. I wouldn be any less disgusted with
someone name calling a person coz they were overweight than a different ethnic background!

you may be able to say one is called rascism and and the other bullying boldie but they both get placed in the same major classification- DISCRIMINATION. Where thay can be said to be of the same proportions

[M3boy]

If a kid is bullied at school because of his/her weight there are measures in place to force the school to take neccessary steps to prevent the bullying and punish the bullies.

Sorry but this just is not true.

One of our kids was bullied for a LONG time for being overweight. NOTHING was done.

Now,had the bullying been "of a racist nature" - then it would be treated MORE serious - which is TOTALLY WRONG

[KingPoker]

If a kid is bullied at school because of his/her weight there are measures in place to force the school to take neccessary steps to prevent the bullying and punish the bullies.

Sorry but this just is not true.

One of our kids was bullied for a LONG time for being overweight. NOTHING was done.

Now,had the bullying been "of a racist nature" - then it would be treated MORE serious - which is TOTALLY WRONG

My point exactly in one of my previous threads. good post M3

[Suited_Jock]

If a kid is bullied at school because of his/her weight there are measures in place to force the school to take neccessary steps to prevent the bullying and punish the bullies.

Whilst going slightly off topic here there is nothing the schools can do to prevent someone being bullied. It will happen its shocking but true. Any measures they take will simply result in the target of bullying getting it worse.

If anyone feels by any of my posts that I think slagging someone about their weight is justified I apologize I know how much this hurts and it was never my intention to have people believing that.

I still think that racism is a whole lot worse.

[boldie]

I am still somewhat stunned that people consider someone being called a Paki-bastard the same as calling someone a fat bastard.
I am not condoning calling people fat bastards but I think it's fair to say that calling someone a fat bastard would be called bullying..whereas calling someone  a paki bastard is essentially always racist.

and I do think there's a difference between bullying and racism (not condoning either obviously)

I just dont think that the one is any more or less acceptable than the other. I wouldn be any less disgusted with
someone name calling a person coz they were overweight than a different ethnic background!

you may be able to say one is called rascism and and the other bullying boldie but they both get placed in the same major classification- DISCRIMINATION. Where thay can be said to be of the same proportions

To be honest I think they are not of the same proportions.

Bullying is bad there's no doubt about that..but racism is much much worse in my opinion.

History shows that racism leads to terrible things. Race attacks, persecution, illegal prosecutions etc.
Having someone tied to the back of a car and dragged along a city street untill his skin peels off (happened not that long ago in the States..2 years to be correct) because he is black is on a different level from bullying.
Having political parties marching through the streets and generally promoting hatred towards anyone with a different skin colour is on a completely different level from people/kids being bullied at school.

Again, bullying is a massive problem and should be dealt with harshly but it's on a different level from racism in my humble opinion.

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[KingPoker]

If a kid is bullied at school because of his/her weight there are measures in place to force the school to take neccessary steps to prevent the bullying and punish the bullies.

Whilst going slightly off topic here there is nothing the schools can do to prevent someone being bullied. It will happen its shocking but true. Any measures they take will simply result in the target of bullying getting it worse.

If anyone feels by any of my posts that I think slagging someone about their weight is justified I apologize I know how much this hurts and it was never my intention to have people believing that.

 
I still think that racism is a whole lot worse.

I do actually agree with this post jock. But i have to say racism isnt any worse. Its just more prevalent. We are in the middle of an obesity epidemic and im afraid "fat-bashing" is going to become much much more of a comon thing and im afraid its going to start right from the start of school and may carry on into the office place in later years.

and why!?
Because its ok. At least he's not being racist or saying anything about his religious beliefs! (its disgraceful!)

[Suited_Jock]

I think one of the main differences is if person a calls person b fat they are doing it as a direct attack at that person for whatever reason... it doesn't mean they hate all fat people its taking something that will obviously cause the person hurt and it will hurt them 100% of the time.

Call someone a racially derogitry term and it is not just an attack at the person its an attack at them their heritage and all their friends and family.

Countries have not gone to war because of differences in personal appearance they have however because of their believes and colour of their skin. - Its flushys point and I Agree not looking to look like ive stolen it.

[KingPoker]

I am still somewhat stunned that people consider someone being called a Paki-bastard the same as calling someone a fat bastard.
I am not condoning calling people fat bastards but I think it's fair to say that calling someone a fat bastard would be called bullying..whereas calling someone  a paki bastard is essentially always racist.

and I do think there's a difference between bullying and racism (not condoning either obviously)

I just dont think that the one is any more or less acceptable than the other. I wouldn be any less disgusted with
someone name calling a person coz they were overweight than a different ethnic background!

you may be able to say one is called rascism and and the other bullying boldie but they both get placed in the same major classification- DISCRIMINATION. Where thay can be said to be of the same proportions

To be honest I think they are not of the same proportions.

Bullying is bad there's no doubt about that..but racism is much much worse in my opinion.

History shows that racism leads to terrible things. Race attacks, persecution, illegal prosecutions etc.
Having someone tied to the back of a car and dragged along a city street untill his skin peels off (happened not that long ago in the States..2 years to be correct) because he is black is on a different level from bullying.
Having political parties marching through the streets and generally promoting hatred towards anyone with a different skin colour is on a completely different level from people/kids being bullied at school.

Again, bullying is a massive problem and should be dealt with harshly but it's on a different level from racism in my humble opinion.

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Its just that i feel its going to get much worse as it becomes more prevalent, but this difference is we have no legislation againt discriminating overweight people. You are right that the results of racism are hugely more predominant, just look at eastern europe in the 80's and 90's.
But thats the problem, its much more publicised, discriminations of other types (like the fat issue we are debating here) goes on much more subtly and in the shadows and is still accepted as "'aving a laugh with someone". But the truth is its no nice to suffer fat remarks as it is racist!