Fold on flop or see the turn?

[UpTheMariners]

Seat 1: oodabooda ($491.20)
Seat 2: sbx2117 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 3: JONAH J ($376.20)
Seat 4: deznut ($681.10)
Seat 5: UpTheMariners ($418)
Seat 6: evodg3nr8 ($400)
Seat 7: hemiscott ($76.30)
Seat 8: knight165 ($213)
Seat 9: MisterSid ($400)
JONAH J posts the big blind of $4
MisterSid posts $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ Ah]
deznut folds
sbx2117 stands up
kicksomeass adds $400
UpTheMariners raises to $12
evodg3nr8 calls $12
hemiscott folds
knight165 folds
MisterSid folds
oodabooda has 15 seconds left to act
oodabooda folds
JONAH J calls $8
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JONAH J checks
UpTheMariners bets $30
evodg3nr8 raises to $80
JONAH J has 15 seconds left to act
JONAH J folds

 

[Jezebel]

Re Raise all in

[boldie]

I'm guessing the chippies will end up in the middle.

I'd reraise to 200 here. No free cards on this flop.

[Paullie_D]

I'm guessing the chippies will end up in the middle.

I'd reraise to 200 here. No free cards on this flop.

I agree with the re-raise...he's probably hit the set or flopped the straight, but you need to find out.
If he re-raises, fold.
If he calls, you don't want to put any more money in here unless the turn is an Ace (preferably not the ) and even then you have to be very careful.

[doubleup]

I call and bet 100 on a non club turn.

[boldie]

I call and bet 100 on a non club turn.

what if another non club danger card comes down? IOW 6 or 7. you can't give out free cards in a situation like this.

[kinboshi]

I re-raise.  Without any information on him, he could see your bet as a standard continuation bet, or he could have and overpair.

Of course, he could have a straight if he's called preflop with 76, or a flush draw (or a straight flush draw), or a set - but it depends on what sort of player he is.

I like the re-raise that Boldie suggested.  Although what you'd do if he then re-popped you all-in I'm not sure.

[doubleup]

I call and bet 100 on a non club turn.

what if another non club danger card comes down? IOW 6 or 7. you can't give out free cards in a situation like this.

There not really free cards if he has a set, a str8 2 pr or more likely some sort of combo draw where he is happy to stick all the money in.  I did think about the 6 or 7 when I posted but just wanted to give a simple answer however wld prob chk and see what he bet.

I suppose the main debate here is whether it's better to stick the money in on these kind of flops or wait for a safeish turn.  I suppose that we should work out the possible holdings - where a read of some kind would be helpful i.e. if this is a fairly tight player the possibility of an overpair or AcKc/Qc goes way up unfortunately so does the set possibility.  A looser player could also have a set, but the drawing hands are a strong possibility
 

[UpTheMariners]

ok this is what i did i called then bet $85 into the large pot, he then flat called

[boldie]

ok this is what i did i called then bet $85 into the large pot, he then flat called

hmm the problem with that is that the bet isn't big enough for him to fold not matter what cards he has.

What was the turn?

[UpTheMariners]

[UpTheMariners]

the reason why i am asking these questions is because this month i am breaking even with aces. just seeing whether i am playing them wrong....

[boldie]

ok so I take it your chips went in the middle when that 9 came? Your raise on the flop was too small for him to fold anything...the 9 can not have helped him (unless it made his two pair..) so now is the time to decide to let him take the pot or whether you want it. My chips would be in the middle here.

the pot is big enough. so it's all in time for me.

[UpTheMariners]

i never raised the flop? 

[boldie]

i never raised the flop? 

I meant re-raise you said you called the 80 and then stuck an extra 85$ in. I read that as a re-raise, or did I read that wrong?