Any mad people out there ?

[sweet potata!]

This has to be the most standard call of all time ? ? ?  before anyone says it it aint a badbeat moan , purely posting cos i had 2 muppets at the table sayin i made a terrible call , is there anyone out there who would honestly even consider folding in this spot . . . . also how badly did he play this hand i mean pushing in for $232 is ridiculous play surely ?does he not want to get paid ? , i cant call w/out KK


eat 1: larry2burke ( $227.75 )
Seat 7: MrDiolevi ( $447.68 )
Seat 8: cmb_G ( $364.15 )
Seat 10: greybutgreat ( $168.88 )
Seat 4: HERO ( $231.60 )
Seat 9: chemmythug ( $190.75 )
Seat 2: a18889991 ( $232.05 )
Seat 6: numak ( $182.45 )
Seat 3: jetsetgirl ( $200 )
Seat 5: AloaMrFishCall ( $188 )
numak posts small blind [$1].
MrDiolevi posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [  ]
greybutgreat folds.
a18889991 raises [$6]
HERO raises [$18]
AloaMrFishCall folds.
numak folds.
MrDiolevi folds.
a18889991 is all-In.
HERO is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
HERO shows [ , ]a pair of Kings.
a18889991 shows [ Ah, As ]a pair of Aces.

[byronkincaid]

he has AK most of the time. I call with KK.

[thetank]

You need a monster read to lay this down.

I'd have to be going out with the player for 6 months and meet their mother to lay down KK here.

[maxward]

Impossible to see you getting away with Kings. Dont agree with AK, that play doenst match.  There is fold equity if youbelieve he has aces, thats what having a read is all about but its a cahs game and only one hand has you beat pf

[temp0r]

he's seriously overplayed them. doubt he gets paid off very often. in fact kings is the only hand he's ever really getting paid with. you can't pass.

[sweet potata!]

he's seriously overplayed them. doubt he gets paid off very often. in fact kings is the only hand he's ever really getting paid with. you can't pass.

yes m8 thats what annoyed me so much , he played his hand horrificly and yet has the guile to say i made a bad call , and even has someone agreeing with him at the table !

[Smart Money]

Full-handed with 230 BB shared equally between you!!?

Unless you have him down as a muppet, you should pass KK here. If you were to call every pre-flop all-in on a full-handed cash table with KK when you both have 100+BB then you will most likely show a loss from them.

A lot of players find it hard to get away from KK pre-flop in cash because most of their experience is playing tournament poker. Obviously in tournaments you are going to be calling a pre-flop all-in with KK in most situations. However those situations are very different from deep-stacked full-handed cash with no blinds/antes worth stealing, and no urgency to get involved in pots. Cash is a far more patient game and I've yet to see a player get blinded away at those tables.

If you have no notes on a player, then assume he knows what he's doing. His play here isn't as bad as most are presuming. A re-re-raise pre-flop in full-handed cash is nearly always AA. Perhaps he thought the all-in was the best way to disguise it? His other option, apart from slow-playing, is to raise to at least $45 to avoid giving any pair the correct odds to call, and he may as well turn his cards face up if he puts in a third raise. Only an absolutely terrible player would push here with AK (or QQ) with you both as deep as you are, and what else are you beating?

Your calling requirements only open up when either of you are fairly short-stacked- typically less than 50BB.

If anyone has an extensive Poker Tracker database then look up the stats on any player you know who is prepared to end-up all in pre-flop with KK in this deep-stacked situation. Check out their BB/100 from playing KK- it is usually low. Specifically, look at their KK hands where they are all-in pre-flop deep-stacked in full-handed games. It is unlikley their figures will be too pretty.

Easy fold for me.

[AlexMartin]

he's seriously overplayed them. doubt he gets paid off very often. in fact kings is the only hand he's ever really getting paid with. you can't pass.

yes m8 thats what annoyed me so much , he played his hand horrificly and yet has the guile to say i made a bad call , and even has someone agreeing with him at the table !

I totally disagree with the both of you. He has put you on a big enough hand to re-raise with and probably has you down as a tight solid player.
I admire him for all-in there.

I go busto with kings there too against unknown opponent.

[Smart Money]

For what it's worth- I know it's a very small sample- during the 2,000+ hands I played last night multi-tabling at $1/$2, I made a conscious effort to note any deep-stacked all-ins involving KK. There were 4 in total (3 pre-flop and one on the flop) and each time the hand lost to AA.