What makes a club big?

[The Baron]

Benitez recently called Everton "a small club". But what makes a club big?

IMO it's trophies/history, fan base, disposal income, in that order.

[Nem]

Benitez recently called Everton "a small club". But what makes a club big?

IMO it's trophies/history, fan base, disposal income, in that order.

A combination of the above. I feel that being successful for more than one decade is important.

Benitez was an idiot saying that. Everton are a small club compared to the big 4, but compared to the other 88 teams in England they are pretty big!

When was the last time Liverpool went to Old Trafford and play an attacking game? 1990 maybe

[KingPoker]

can i just add i believe everton were the 7th or 8th richest footy clubs in the world in 2006!

edit* i belive they were actually 17th!! o well!

[The Baron]

Benitez recently called Everton "a small club". But what makes a club big?

IMO it's trophies/history, fan base, disposal income, in that order.

A combination of the above. I feel that being successful for more than one decade is important.

Benitez was an idiot saying that. Everton are a small club compared to the big 4, but compared to the other 88 teams in England they are pretty big!

When was the last time Liverpool went to Old Trafford and play an attacking game? 1990 maybe

He didn't say "Everton are small". It was more like "small teams come here to frustrate us and defend".

Moyes has used "we have a small squad", "we dont have their resources", " we cant compete financially with them", etc etc etc for 4 years now! You cant have both ways! They're small club when it suits them!

In response to your last line, how about last season when we lost 1-0?

Back to the point of the thread why is more than one decade important? Some clubs cant even manage that!

[Nem]

Benitez recently called Everton "a small club". But what makes a club big?

IMO it's trophies/history, fan base, disposal income, in that order.

A combination of the above. I feel that being successful for more than one decade is important.

Benitez was an idiot saying that. Everton are a small club compared to the big 4, but compared to the other 88 teams in England they are pretty big!

When was the last time Liverpool went to Old Trafford and play an attacking game? 1990 maybe

He didn't say "Everton are small". It was more like "small teams come here to frustrate us and defend".

Moyes has used "we have a small squad", "we dont have their resources", " we cant compete financially with them", etc etc etc for 4 years now! You cant have both ways! They're small club when it suits them!

In response to your last line, how about last season when we lost 1-0?

Back to the point of the thread why is more than one decade important? Some clubs cant even manage that!

Look at Chelsea. How can they be classed as a bigger club than Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal etc...

Who do you think are the 10 biggest clubs in England?

[The Baron]

Chelsea are a tough one.

Money galore but none of it made in profit.

Back to back premiership titles after being a 5th to 10th club since forever.

Stadium full every week when they were getting 12,000 back in the eighties.

Very hard to judge.

[KingPoker]

This is for 2004-2005 season
1(2) Real Madrid £186.2m
2(1) Man Utd £166.4m
3(3) AC Milan £158m
4(5) Juventus £154.9m
5(4) Chelsea £149.1m
6(7) Barcelona £140.4m
7(9) Bayern Munich £128m
8(10) Liverpool £122.4m
9( Inter Milan £119.7m
10(6) Arsenal £115.7m
11(12) Roma £89m
12(11) Newcastle £87.1m
13(14) Spurs £70.6m
14(17) Schalke £65.8m
15(-) Lyon £62.7m
16(13) Celtic £62.6m
17(16) Man City £60.9m
18(-) Everton £60m
19(-) Valencia £57.2m
20(15) Lazio £56.1m

[Nem]

This is for 2004-2005 season
1(2) Real Madrid £186.2m
2(1) Man Utd £166.4m
3(3) AC Milan £158m
4(5) Juventus £154.9m
5(4) Chelsea £149.1m
6(7) Barcelona £140.4m
7(9) Bayern Munich £128m
8(10) Liverpool £122.4m
9( Inter Milan £119.7m
10(6) Arsenal £115.7m
11(12) Roma £89m
12(11) Newcastle £87.1m
13(14) Spurs £70.6m
14(17) Schalke £65.8m
15(-) Lyon £62.7m
16(13) Celtic £62.6m
17(16) Man City £60.9m
18(-) Everton £60m
19(-) Valencia £57.2m
20(15) Lazio £56.1m

That is just turnover. Doesn't include history, trophies won, fee paying members/subscribers, ground capacity, season ticket holders/waiting list...etc

Chelsea bigger than Barcelona!

[The Baron]

This is for 2004-2005 season
1(2) Real Madrid £186.2m
2(1) Man Utd £166.4m
3(3) AC Milan £158m
4(5) Juventus £154.9m
5(4) Chelsea £149.1m
6(7) Barcelona £140.4m
7(9) Bayern Munich £128m
8(10) Liverpool £122.4m
9( Inter Milan £119.7m
10(6) Arsenal £115.7m
11(12) Roma £89m
12(11) Newcastle £87.1m
13(14) Spurs £70.6m
14(17) Schalke £65.8m
15(-) Lyon £62.7m
16(13) Celtic £62.6m
17(16) Man City £60.9m
18(-) Everton £60m
19(-) Valencia £57.2m
20(15) Lazio £56.1m

That is just turnover.

I thought Chelsea made a loss last season?

[thetank]

Oasis weren't very big in the 80s either.

I think you've got to give it to Chelsea at some point.

[The Baron]

Oasis weren't very big in the 80s either.

I think you've got to give it to Chelsea at some point.

Very true. Only one other team has back-to-back premiership titles.

But as a big club how do you judge where they stand vs the others?

[Nem]

This is for 2004-2005 season
1(2) Real Madrid £186.2m
2(1) Man Utd £166.4m
3(3) AC Milan £158m
4(5) Juventus £154.9m
5(4) Chelsea £149.1m
6(7) Barcelona £140.4m
7(9) Bayern Munich £128m
8(10) Liverpool £122.4m
9( Inter Milan £119.7m
10(6) Arsenal £115.7m
11(12) Roma £89m
12(11) Newcastle £87.1m
13(14) Spurs £70.6m
14(17) Schalke £65.8m
15(-) Lyon £62.7m
16(13) Celtic £62.6m
17(16) Man City £60.9m
18(-) Everton £60m
19(-) Valencia £57.2m
20(15) Lazio £56.1m

That is just turnover.

I thought Chelsea turned over a loss last season?

They did £83.3million

[Nem]

Oasis weren't very big in the 80s either.

I think you've got to give it to Chelsea at some point.

Very true. Only one other team has back-to-back premiership titles.

But as a big club how do you judge where they stand vs the others?

If Abramovich bought Tottenham instead and we won b2b EPL titles - would we be bigger than Arsenal, Liverpool?

[The Baron]

Oasis weren't very big in the 80s either.

I think you've got to give it to Chelsea at some point.

Very true. Only one other team has back-to-back premiership titles.

But as a big club how do you judge where they stand vs the others?

If Abramovich bought Tottenham instead and we won b2b EPL titles - would we be bigger than Arsenal, Liverpool?

No, I dont think Chelsea are now, but at what point do they become bigger?

Define who are bigger out of say Spurs and Newcastle? Or Arsenal and Liverpool?

[KingPoker]

Surely the only way to find the biggest club is to judge it like a franchise in american football. Surely the biggest has to come down to the turnover. This shows which one makes the most from ticket sales, tv rights, merchandising, etc. It cannot be put down to wins, titles and so on whcih must be said to go hand in hand with increased profits. You will not see a successful team that consistently wins titles that isnt one of the richest in the world.