Some advice please

[TightEnd]

I'm going to keep some info on location and names vague, as it is not the point here

I am playing in a B&M satellite to qualify for an event, two seats are available, seven players left. Again, immaterial which establishment,which event for the purposes of this post

I'm in seat 8, one of the short stacks

Seat 7 is the short stack

Seat 9 is chipped up.

Seats 5,7,9 have entered the competition together

Seats 1,2,4 have entered the competition together


I have objected to seats 5 and 9 talking another language at the table. On objecting, I have been accused of being a racist, but the card room supervisor has backed me up

Seat 7 limps into an unopened pot on the button

I pass

Seat 9 checks

Flop

 tc kh qd

Check check

Turn 

Check check

River 

BB checks, button moves all in for last 2300 into a pot 4000 (800-1600 blinds, a 1600 limper)

BB immediately passes

Button proudly shows   

BB roars with laughter, says "well played" and displays td th. He's checked trips twice to a short stack and passed getting 4-1 on the end

I immediately complain, pointing out that this is the most blatant example of softplay I have ever seen, that it was a disgrace and an insult to the other players

I explain the situation to the supervisor who says there is nothing he can do but he will watch the final table from then on

By now it's really kicking off, Seats 1,2 and 4 aren't experienced live players, they are looking bemused. Seat 5 is asking me" Are you saying my friend is a cheat" (er, yes), Seat 9 says "I was waiting for him to bet and on the river I thought he must be betting with a straight"

I reply "It is either soft play or you are the worst player I have ever seen to check a set twice against a short stack. I don't care who he is, to be fair to everyone else you have to try and win the pot here"


At that point, frankly fuming and upset ( it takes an awful lot to make me lose any control, far too placid and good natured, it's a downfall of mine!!!) , I got up, left my chips there and went home. Maybe I shouldn't have done but I'm comfortable with my decision, some things are more important than a game of poker. Principles, for example.


Here's what I want to know:

Is there a prima facie case to suspect softplay here?

If presented with strong grounds to suspect softplay, what can a cardroom supervisor do?

Would you have handled this any different if you were me? (I DON'T want to be told I should have stayed and played, I know I let them win, but that was choice)

I am writing formally to various people to request that my initial buy in is returned. Do I have any case for this? Should I complain about the supervisor?

[winkie]

As you described it, I think you're totally right in saying this is soft play. I would go as far as saying this is blatant cheating...!

Cheats should be banned from all card rooms!

[ariston]

I would complain to the head office of the casino but I am afraid you will be fobbed off unless you are a huge roulette player in the said casino. It is the most blatant soft play you will see and both parties should have been thrown out IMO but card room supervisors just don't seem to have the balls to do it as a rule (exception is Yogi who isn't afraid to and has ejected people from comps in the last 12 months). You were cheated and the worst thing is there is nothing you can do about it unfortunately. All I can suggest is you name and shame so I and other blondites don't get caught at that venue ( I couldnt see thee from thine just walking away from this situation if you know what I mean ).

[TightEnd]

Ok russ, I didn't want to walk away either, but there wasn't a lot of point doing something that would get me banned!

Am writing to the necessary people now

I'm not naming and shaming, as I said in the original post

[winkie]

What I can't understand is that they were obviously cheating, but why show the fact that you'd hit trips...

And against his mate who's one of the short stacks...!

[dan]

yes i thinks its cheating.
did you see this thread http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=2030.0

[TightEnd]

Winkie:

arrogance, and/or as I had been sitting quietly and the three at the other end of the table didn't have a clue, an assumption that no one would bother

[TightEnd]

dan,


yes I did, thanks


Arguably what happened there, with two "name" players that would know better, was worse than this

[ariston]

They showed it because they knew nothing would be done about it. They would be regulars no doubt at said venue. I imagine (with this being a live qualifier) this would be a grand prix qualifier and you may get some joy out of the head office as this is there flagship event.

[winkie]

Tightend - just sent you a PM.

Ta,
winkie

[dan]

you may well have seen vampit's(is that his name) post. where the short stack was sb and his mate cl was bb, sb moved all in bb folded KK and said he didnt want to knock his mate out

[TightEnd]

They showed it because they knew nothing would be done about it. They would be regulars no doubt at said venue. I imagine (with this being a live qualifier) this would be a grand prix qualifier and you may get some joy out of the head office as this is there flagship event.

No, these people were strangers at venue.

I have sent a letter off, if there is any joy I will let the forum know

And to repeat, I am not naming any people or locations, it is the general principles and how you would handle this I am interested in.

[ariston]

I wouldn't have handled it as gracefully as you I'm afraid

[TightEnd]

You surprise me Ariston!!!

LMAO


It wouldn't have been tried with you sitting there, I need to work on my table image!!

[Pommy]

I wouldn't have handled it as gracefully as you I'm afraid

Nor I, this is absolutely disgusting behaviour in any poker tournament.

Not too sure what I would have done myself, but it wouldn't have been pretty.

Just out of curiosity, did the dealer acknowledge any of this at all? did he back you up with the TD or was he as ignorant as the TD obviously was?