AK Big Sick

[TightPaulFolds]

Live SnG.

7 players. Blinds 50-100. Starting stack 1000. You have 1300 chips, roughly the mode.

You are on the big blind. Action folds round to the button. Medium loose aggressive chip leader on the button with 2000 chips raises to 300. LooserAggressive in small blind pushes all in for 1300. You look down at  .

What do you do?

[Bazzaboy]

call

[maxward]

I fold

At best your against AQ/AJ and thats unlikley to warrant a push, a middle pair has it a virtual coin toss and that negates the possibility of initial raiser calling or holding one or more of your cards.  I dont see the point in risking all your stack at this point when you have no clear edge.  Id be more than happy for chip leader to call and possibly eliminate one of the competition. AK is a hand to lead out with, not call,  in my humble opinion.

[Bazzaboy]

I fold

At best your against AQ/AJ and thats unlikley to warrant a push, a middle pair has it a virtual coin toss and that negates the possibility of initial raiser calling or holding one or more of your cards.  I dont see the point in risking all your stack at this point when you have no clear edge.  Id be more than happy for chip leader to call and possibly eliminate one of the competition. AK is a hand to lead out with, not call,  in my humble opinion.

Are you serious?  Buttons range is huge. SB's range isnt much narrower and includes a whole host of hands you crush.

[maxward]

I fold

At best your against AQ/AJ and thats unlikley to warrant a push, a middle pair has it a virtual coin toss and that negates the possibility of initial raiser calling or holding one or more of your cards.  I dont see the point in risking all your stack at this point when you have no clear edge.  Id be more than happy for chip leader to call and possibly eliminate one of the competition. AK is a hand to lead out with, not call,  in my humble opinion.

Are you serious?  Buttons range is huge. SB's range isnt much narrower and includes a whole host of hands you crush.

Disagree. The blinds are not at a level that would induce a significant gear change from the button, although I accept maybe hes stealing (maybe im being too conservative). I still think that at this level the SB wouldnt push with much that would yield a significant edge, as previously stated. Thats the beauty of this forum I guess, we can agree to disagree.

[doubleup]

Folding this is evidence of certifiable insanity

[Dewi_cool]

 

[Ironside]

all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK

[AgentChip109]

yeah im pretty certain this is a call. with the structure that is mentioned i feel this is a good opportunity the win a big pot and be comfortable for a while. as mentioned the buttons hand range is huge and the SB has a pretty decent range too. im prepared for a 50/50 at eorst in this spot

[AlexMartin]

all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK

Would love to "know" when im up against this with AK. In a 3-way coup, is it even possible?

I call. All day long, every day. Then button shoves and you have 2 pots to win. SB's range against aggy button is gigantic.

[maxward]

all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK

That seems quite a weak argument to me - against all pairs AK is a dog, allbeit marginal. To just go with a hand on speculation that youll win a coin toss seems somewhat naive.

By all means lead out with AK if you so wish, as there will be fold equity to factor in, but in a calling situation id either need very tasty odds, a good level or so later, or a surefire sense that he overplays weak aces or picture hands.

I agree that there is a range the button maybe playing a wider number of hands but that is almost an irrelevance now as the SB has pushed when they potentially are only loosing the value of a SB, that- for me at least- is an aggressive move ahead of time, which indicates a smaller range of hands than I think you guys are suggesting. But hey ho im probably wrong.

[dime]

Normally I'm not a fan of AK, it is normally a very tricky hand to play and seems to realy come into its own to battle against the forces of evil blind stealers (more often than not far more useful in the latter stages of a tournamnet than initally). owever from the situation described it sounds like the SB has half a hand and is fed up with the button's aggresive betting so is making a stand. I put him on a big enough hand range that I'm unlikley to be much less than 50-50 if the button folds, which I would expect him to.

[AlexMartin]

all in never fold the AK in a crapshoot unless you know your against AA or KK

That seems quite a weak argument to me - against all pairs AK is a dog, allbeit marginal. To just go with a hand on speculation that youll win a coin toss seems somewhat naive.
By all means lead out with AK if you so wish, as there will be fold equity to factor in, but in a calling situation id either need very tasty odds, a good level or so later, or a surefire sense that he overplays weak aces or picture hands.

I agree that there is a range the button maybe playing a wider number of hands but that is almost an irrelevance now as the SB has pushed when they potentially are only loosing the value of a SB, that- for me at least- is an aggressive move ahead of time, which indicates a smaller range of hands than I think you guys are suggesting. But hey ho im probably wrong.

Ur right. I should wait for Aces in a crapshoot.

[maxward]

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Ur right. I should wait for Aces in a crapshoot.
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thats hardly what im saying, its about pickimg your spots, im not advocating boycotting AK but just not on this ocassion.

I just disagree with Ironisde when he said that hed never fold AK in a crapshot

[TightPaulFolds]

I suppose a factor is, how good you think you are compared to the field. I remember Phil Helmuth saying that if he knows he can consistently outplay someone, why should he keep running into coinflips with them and lose the edge. I was at best average against this field though.

Here, I'm putting someone on a pair, and obviously I'm not 5050 if the other guy has A or K.

Anyway, I can hear boldie and flushy coming, so I'll just go quietly...