APAT Scottish line up

[RichD]

Poker's a game of incomplete information - maybe we could do a crossword to get a seat

[kinboshi]

The thing with the first come, first serve thing was it gives some people NO chance of going. My first event was Cardiff, I wanted to go to Newcastle but the draw was 8pm on some evening where I was playing a live tournament, so I couldnt be sat at the computer :S

i was out of the country playing in a live comp the night of the draw for newcastle too but i managed to sort out getting online at the time of the clickfest
the other option is to speak to a friend or realitive to do it for you

Exactly, if you want it enough you will find a way around it. I dont see how its fair for the draw myself. No other poker tournament in the world is done like this. Im not bitter bout missing the scottish one because in truth i wouldnt have been able to sign up for it at the time anyway so i dont belive a clickfest is the best way for me to get in, just the fairest! Today, just about everyone is using broadband and everybody has the same amount of numbers and information on your bank card to enter so there is no unfairness. Im not a fast typer and got in to the welsh one so thats not an excuse either!

How's it the fairest?  If your connection goes down, you are ill (or a family member is) that evening, then you're buggered.

The draw allows everyone who's interested to enter the draw over a period of time. 

KP, even if it doesn't get as far down as you on the reserve list (which it might well do), if you travelled up and made sure you were the first one there on Saturday morning you'd get a seat.  Hell of a long way to go, but it's perfectly feasible.

Other poker tournaments aren't done like this - quite true.  There were plently of people who wanted to play in the EPT in Copenhagen who couldn't buy their way in as the seats had all been allocated so quickly (those Scandies again!).  So people missed out - that's how it goes. 

It might not be the best for those really keen to play in every APAT event, but the draw is the FAIREST.  All who want to play have an equal chance.

Because i dont honestly believe that the people who are dying to go are these people in the draw. I mean seriously how many people dropped out after signing up through the clickfest. 5/6 maybe? already over 24 (i think) people have dropped out after being drawn.
Fair enough some maybe be down to health reasons or the likes but its mainly due to the fact they cant be arsed too and that annoys me.
Thats why i like clickfests, you pay your money there and then and are committed, if i miss out i miss out but at least the people who have signed up to actually want to play.

Far more than 5 or 6 dropped out for Cardiff.  Like I said, 15 got in on the day itself, not taking into account any who were replaced earlier.

Like I said, it doesn't help those who are the most keen to play.  But it is the FAIREST for all. 

There's an argument that those who have entered every event get a seat for the next one.  The counter argument would be that those people should step aside and let others who haven't managed to play yet get priority.  Each argument has its merits.

Sounds like regional qualifiers and the like next season, which means more live events, and more local ones without the additional travel expenses, etc.  This sounds like a great idea - as long as the regional qualifiers are decent stack tourneys and not luck-fests that aren't representative of what makes the APAT events so appealing to players like me (no, not fish - serious recreational players without huge bankrolls).

Be interesting to see if the APAT events at DTD are going to be full to capacity.  It's going to hold about 500 I believe (might be wrong, but I'm sure it was 50 tables, plus the 'special' table). 

[KingPoker]

I just think with just about everything in life, it should be first come first served and my opinion will never change, doesnt mean its the right opinion, just my own!
Surely in the big grand debate of poker LUCK vs SKILL, the clickfest is the SKILL one so should be supported by the poker players 
Regional qualifiers would be a great idea and i cant even imagine what it would be like to play at DTD with 499 other players!!! Awesome.

[Ironside]

personally i hate the regional quaifier route as alot of people like to go with there mates so if only 1 or 2 get in group a group of 5 or 6 they they might not go
also regions like the highlands (wont be able to play live sats in the highlands as the councill wont give a liecence) will be grouped in with the central belt of scotland where it will take some of us longer to get to and just as much expense as teh amin event when we would be playing fr a £75 seat

direct buy ins always has to be an option IMHO

[tikay]

There you go, three different Posters in a row with three different views as to the best solution!

Now you see our problem......

Typically, it's an Englishman, a Scot, & a Welsh bloke.....

[sharkey2007]

You are answering your own question guys. There is no "perfect way" to allocate seats. What I am slightly confused about is why people are worried about "drop-outs" for Edinburgh. At the end of the day you are going to end up with the first 120 (forgetting qualifiers for a second) who WANT to play playing no matter where they were on the list. I personally think Regional qualifiers would be a great addition. And that is coming from someone who has to travel 2 hours to his nearest casino!!! It would also guarentee a nice spread of people from around the country for each event, whcih could create a healthy competitive atmosphere, with guys supporting each other from the same arera. Also with regards to accomodation etc... At the end of regionals you would know who from your area was definately in and so could organise shared travel and accomdation there and then cutting down on costs of the event for the players.

[Geo the Sarge]

You are answering your own question guys. There is no "perfect way" to allocate seats. What I am slightly confused about is why people are worried about "drop-outs" for Edinburgh. At the end of the day you are going to end up with the first 120 (forgetting qualifiers for a second) who WANT to play playing no matter where they were on the list. I personally think Regional qualifiers would be a great addition. And that is coming from someone who has to travel 2 hours to his nearest casino!!! It would also guarentee a nice spread of people from around the country for each event, whcih could create a healthy competitive atmosphere, with guys supporting each other from the same arera. Also with regards to accomodation etc... At the end of regionals you would know who from your area was definately in and so could organise shared travel and accomdation there and then cutting down on costs of the event for the players.

Good post.

[Ironside]

but what about those of us who would be further than 2 hours from a casino who would have to spend £200+ to win a £75 seat

[sharkey2007]

Have an online one for the Highlands!!!

[RichD]

but what about those of us who would be further than 2 hours from a casino who would have to spend £200+ to win a £75 seat

Move house or get a 1 litre turbo smart car

[FlyingPig]

I qualified through the satelite and I genuinely really wanted to go, unfortunately for me, I am going to see Liverpool on the Wednesday, Aintree Races on the Thursday and have a meeting scheduled all day the Friday before the tournament in Scotland. I am a Father and a Husband and have to balance it all, and I dont think it would of been fair on my wife and kids for me to go away for the weekend.

I dont feel I have to explain my reasons to anyone, but just showing that things crop up that sometimes you have to change things. People may not be able to go for a wide variance of reasons, and I think that we should respect these decisions.

As Tikay said, 3 people, 3 different solutions. You will not please all the people all of the time, but they are pleasing most of the peopl most of the time. IMHO that will do nicely..

For me regional qualifiers are not good. If you have a particularly large amount of memebers in one area, it would be unfair on these members. Or would the seats be divided up pro-rata per entrants/per region. This would be fair, but would be a nightmare to sort out.

Click fest for me means that the people who want to go the most will be online at the time of the clickfest (even putting of going to parties till 8.30), although there are exceptions to this and every possible solution.

Keep up the good work.....

PS> I am gutted about not being able to go to Edinburgh......Although on the 14th of April, there will be a record number of low entrants in the online qualifier...Which is a massive benefit to us who cannot go to Edinburgh.... Better chance of winning one of those nice medals.... Which is what I really want.. Anyone want to sell one. LOL

[KingPoker]

There you go, three different Posters in a row with three different views as to the best solution!

Now you see our problem......

Typically, it's an Englishman, a Scot, & a Welsh bloke.....

Lol liked that last line, IMO the acclocation should be thus.

10% Seats allocated by online satellites
5%   Live satellites carried out in the hosting casino
85% On a first come first served online registartion process

Sorted!!!! Which im sure is roughly what the will hill was. I really dont see a problem in this format!!!!!

[mickyp]

I have no problem with the draw system.As kinboshi says it does give other people a chance to play in these great events.What does slightly worry me is my friend joined apat only to play the scottish event and got a seat,he never plays in the online events and says he has no intention in playing any other live events.Now this slightly pi**ed me off as i treked all the way down to newcastle and cardiff,and i have played in 80% of the on line tournaments ,yet i cant even get on the reserve list for my home tournament .Or maybe its just sour grapes.

[Ironside]

mr flying pig we all know somethings cant be helped as you discribed

i also had to pull out of cardiff and only a coupe of days before due to

illness, live quailfiers should be an option as long as its not the only option

as for online qualifers for the more remote users dont be silly

some of us like the apat events as we dont like online play

online and live poker are 2 different games

[sharkey2007]

The only problem I have with this discussion is that people seem to be under the impression that no one has a life away from poker (I can hear the gasps now! FROM PASTY FACED POKER PLAYERS EVERYWHERE!) APAT is for amatuers (ie: people who do not play full time and have a life away from the game!) So obviously things crop up in peoples lives they were not expecting, a car might break down and need £400 of repairs, guy cant now go to Edinburgh. Work may demand you go in and that has to come first. Your kids may be taken ill and you need to be there for them. Things and situations change daily and so someone who had every intention of going may have to drop out. Its not the end of the world and someone is there to take their place.

I agree that regionals should be on a pro-rata basis. Lets say they put an entry fee of £15 on. then for every 5 places you get one place up for grabs. Problem solved