St Patricks day Irish hand

[TightEnd]

A little £20 Pot limit rebuy Irish tournament...get dealt three, bet pre flop and post flop then discard one..thereafter hold em


In the freezeout section I am chip leader with 16,000...blinds 200-400

get dealt  on the button

raise the pot

BB, 12,000, flat calls. Complete novice at the game....


flop 

he bets 3,000

I raise pot

he sticks it in

I call


and now I have to discard,do you keep the made hand AA or the nut flush draw?

 

[Newmanseye]

I'd keep the bullets cos chances are he is drawing to the flush also.

[Ironside]

as the internation irish champion i would keep the flush draw

if he has hit a set of 2 pair than you have outs
if he has flushdraw chances are your ahead
ok so once in a blue moon he would have a 9 and your aces would be good but not often

he could have a straight and flush draw or just a straight draw either of which your draw is favourite against

you could justify keeping either hand but i would plump for the flush draw

[boldie]

I don't see how you can keep the aces. He surely must have more than one pair here to make this move. you can only justify keeping the nutflush and pray you hit if you call this.

[Ironside]

BB, 12,000, flat calls. Complete novice at the game....

is one reason you could justify the aces but its they only reason the aces should be thought about

[doubleup]

I'm inclined to agree with Ironside although if he's a complete novice he could have an overpair.  Still probably best to keep the draw.  I doubt he's drawing as he bet out, I would have expected a novice to check call with a draw.

BTW - did you consider what card you were going to throw before going allin - it might have been a better tourney play against a novice to call his flop bet and keep the aces - he might check a scary turn.

[Smart Money]

I'd keep the Aces against a complete novice.

[stewart]

i play irish alot in cash games, its reqularly called in dealers choice, i tend to play it like omaha or in a simlar fashion not offten 1 pair will win the hand, ive never played tourneyment so its a bit hard to analayise in cash id try get my money in on the flop and there isnt many hands other than a set that will call, i may be tempted in this case to keep the bullets though if i put him on a flushdraw ill keep the aces, if i put him on another hand i keep the flushdraw strange theory i know but its got some sence behind it lol

[Ironside]

if you put him on a flush draw why not keep the flush draw which if the flush hits you win if it doesnt your still ahead

[TightEnd]

Once he pushed I dwelt and decided my AA had to be losing, so shoved in given the chips in the middle and had keep my flush draw

He turned over top set, I turned nut flush

[Sunday8pm]

I'd keep the bullets cos chances are he is drawing to the flush also.

If hes more likely to be drawing to the flush, then i would keep the flush draw because your more of a favourite with a bigger flush draw v a small flush draw than you are with AA v a flush draw.

Im not sure of the % and there isn't much in it, but if thats your read then % wise you should be going with the flush draw.

I like the hand though, could be debated forever!

[boldie]

I don't get it...surely even though the guy being new at the game doesn't mean he's an idiot? Noone would make this play with just an overpair in Irish?

If he's a half decent player of any card game (say Hold em or Omaha) he has to know an overpair isn't enough to stick someone all in with unless he's bluffing. Keeping the flush draw (regardless of how this hand played out) is always the only option I reckon.