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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2007, 08:02:05 PM »

dont start that scum stuff again. I personally don't think the word scum should be banded about. I find it pretty offensive.

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2007, 01:09:27 AM »

I still think Beckham is world class. It's been very trendy to knock him for a few years now and, while I accept he had a poor world cup, so did most of the team. Every member of a team does a job and Beckham on the right putting balls on a sixpence is something we sorely miss. he's not the best tackler in the team but he's not the worst. his commitment has always been beyond question. also, you don't need to be quick when you can deliver a ball 20 yards earlier than anyone else. Beckham alone doesn't solve the problems but England with him would be stronger than England without him.

I agree that some of the Beckham beating is quite sick. The way he was blamed for 98 when he lashed out for a split second (at a guy intent on kicking the shit out of him all game) was sick.

But is he still world class? Not for me.

He not only had a poor world cup he had an awful one. He had an awful European Championships before that and a very average world cup before that.

He hasn't done it at club level in at least 2 years. He's not done it for England (except in one off games vs poor opposition) in longer than that. Gone are the days where Beckham scores 15 a season.

Shearer is gone. The cross for the big man is not essential any more.

So what does Beckham offer that others dont? Not alot.

I'd much prefer to see a SWP/Lennon/Joe Cole type who can beat a man, cut inside, get into the box, shoot, play the through ball, use their pace AND cross than just rely on the fabled Beckham cross.

Roberto Carlos proved quite a few times that Beckham is easy to defend against if you close him down.

Yes he's one of England's best 23 players and should be in the squad, but to class him alongside the Alves' and Ronaldos of the right wing world is too generous IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2007, 01:36:41 AM »

dont start that scum stuff again. I personally don't think the word scum should be banded about. I find it pretty offensive.



 

Its the generally used term for that filthy side in Manchester.

Thats all ive ever hear it referring to anyway. ??
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2007, 07:55:05 AM »

Only by those jealous of the teams success
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2007, 01:17:38 PM »

if it were a rangers fan calling celtic Scum  just because it's premiership shouldnt be any different.

"Filthy"? what on earth are you going on about?

I find it offensive to have football teams, groups of fans or individuals described as scum. give it a rest please.

who do you support anyway?
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2007, 02:08:31 PM »

Just caught up with this thread & yes, Adam has a point.

Having lived in Yorkshire I know that terms like Scumchester etc are pretty much common usage (in the pubs I drank in anyway) - but they're not really in blonde compliant. Rivalry is rivalry, and I know the War of the Roses rivalry is strong, but please don't take it too far.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2007, 06:51:53 PM »

Just caught up with this thread & yes, Adam has a point.

Having lived in Yorkshire I know that terms like Scumchester etc are pretty much common usage (in the pubs I drank in anyway) - but they're not really in blonde compliant. Rivalry is rivalry, and I know the War of the Roses rivalry is strong, but please don't take it too far.

Is 'manure' OK?

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2007, 07:00:52 PM »

no need for it
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2007, 07:22:11 PM »

I hate @rse and i cant type their name... they call us Spuds ... its banter its not personal ..(well not unless someone makes it personal)
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2007, 08:49:20 PM »

I actually find manure quite funny

just 'scum' is pretty unpleasant
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2007, 02:44:47 AM »

I actually find manure quite funny

just 'scum' is pretty unpleasant

which would you rather drink a pint of though....
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2007, 09:57:34 AM »

I actually find manure quite funny

just 'scum' is pretty unpleasant

which would you rather drink a pint of though....

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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2007, 01:32:52 PM »

I actually went out to Barcelona for this game, though I'm not really a big England fan, just an excuse to go on holiday to barca. I never thought McLaren was the right appointment from the start his record is average at best and he got the job as a safe option for the FA. My choice was Martin O'Neill but i think he speaks his mind too much for some at the FA.

As for Englands current predicament we are struggling no doubt, we were poor on Wednesday and have been mediocre for a number of years. We have talented group of players who aren't performing but that was true under sven as well. I think we have to stick with McLaren for the rest of this qualifying campaign it would be a rash decisions to let him go, he has not had that many games and who do we replace him with. He is a goner if we don't qualify, there are signs of some brave decisions, he was right to drop Beckham IMO, he is past it and was turning into a professional set piece taker. Though not dealt with well dropping Lampard is a correct and brave decision it isn't working with him and Gerrard, one of them has to go.
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2007, 01:47:37 PM »

Crouch, I can't put my finger on it. Just don't see him as our centre forward...

Neither could Lehman.

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2007, 03:05:01 PM »

The problem is that in Sven and especially Second Choice Steve we have had managers who are simply not prepared (or not able) to rule the team with a rod of iron. The England squad are a bunch of jumped-up, spoilt kids and need someone to put the fear of God into them if they fail to give 100%. With Rooney and Lampard in particular, they have club managers who don't take any shit of any kind - they must view England games as great chances to get away from it all, into an environment where they are accorded the level of respect they feel they deserve by a manager who knows he is out of his depth. The players don't respect SCS and it shows - they treat him like a supply teacher who has come in when their regular teacher is off sick. and we all remember how we treated supply teachers when we were at school, don't we?

SCS was right to drop Beckham, but he did it for the wrong reason. It was quite clearly a 'look I'm not Sven's bitch any more' move. Beckham made it easy by relinquishing the captaincy because he knew which way the wind was blowing. Lazy Lampard should have been dealt with ages ago. Gerrard should be captain, not Terry.

At no point in any game has SCS showed the slightest ability to turn things around using his tactical acumen - he has no ideas.

We should get rid of SCS, but only if a successor has already been lined up - we can't afford another farcical search. He may not want the job but the successor is obvious. a manager who has done it at the highest level, who was able to get the most out of his players at international level in the past and who understands enough about football to make tactical switches on the fly. And he can handle the media. The silly thing is he's already involved with England, but is not in any position to make the correct calls for fear of undermining SCS.

Bring back Terry Venables as England manager.
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