Moral or Immoral?

[tikay]

Well if the player who wants to make the deal to give up the money but win because he wants to become an ambassador for the game and the guy who wants the money just wants a quiet life I can't see a problem with it. Everybody gets what they want.

You don't see the problem with someone getting the recognition for winning something they didn't actually win?

And what about you, the guy who colluded to fix the result, have you really done nothing wrong?

I'm sure anyone who placed a bet on you at the bookies would have something to say about it.

Got it!

"The 2007 WSOP Main Event Winner  - oh yeah, the one that was fixed"......

[Irishdenis]

Don't kid yourself Keith. You would take the title and go to Sheffield,Walsall, Blackpool and Luton just for the addulation from the local groupies. I see the way they eye you up even now ....

[goonner]

I remember thinking about a similar thing before last years WSOP.
One of the on-line sites were offering to double your prize money if you won after qualifying with them.

So here is the reverse question.
You are heads up.
 $24 million for 1st place   $6million for 2nd. How much do YOU offer the other player to make sure you win. 

[BigTomatoes]

 between 4m and 6m i would think , 4m would mean overall prize money of 10m for 2nd 20m for first which is an extension of 6m/12m    , 9m would be too much , they would be benefitting more than you by taking half the prize money but you are only getting an extra 3m , if you offered 6m however , they would be getting the guaranteed 1st prize amount and you would still be getting 1 1/2 x first prize 12/18m

 so i think it would depend how generous you felt or how greedy your opponent was.

 very good question though   

[RED-DOG]

Moral issues apart, I would play on because to all intents and purposes I would not really notice the difference between 6 million and 12 million. Both sums are more then I could ever spend or even realistically comprehend.

[Simon Galloway]

I love some of the replies saying "play on" - whilst some may well do, it is amazing how many players on forums would turn down locking in $6m but every time I make a final table someone wants to start talking about doing a deal 6 handed to lock in £500.....

I accept the argument that $6m is as surreal as $12m so play on, and I accept some are "no deals whatever" - but that still leaves a boat load of players that would be interested in doing an extra $20k "saver" 5 tables out...

If deals are allowed, then fine, do the deal.  If they aren't, don't.  I wouldn't have a problem asking the guy for $13m or more if there was a good reason to believe he valued 1st even higher.  I am not putting a gun to his head, if he thinks it is value he can do the deal, if he doesn't, he can play on.

[tikay]

I love some of the replies saying "play on" - whilst some may well do, it is amazing how many players on forums would turn down locking in $6m but every time I make a final table someone wants to start talking about doing a deal 6 handed to lock in £500.....

I accept the argument that $6m is as surreal as $12m so play on, and I accept some are "no deals whatever" - but that still leaves a boat load of players that would be interested in doing an extra $20k "saver" 5 tables out...

If deals are allowed, then fine, do the deal.  If they aren't, don't.  I wouldn't have a problem asking the guy for $13m or more if there was a good reason to believe he valued 1st even higher.  I am not putting a gun to his head, if he thinks it is value he can do the deal, if he doesn't, he can play on.

I am not deal-averse, not at all, heaven knows how many Deals I've agreed to. (Though I have never proposed one).

But the point here is someone, in effect, is "buying" the WSOP Main Event title. That degrades the thing totally.

[Indestructable]

If i have already made $6 million it wouldn't make any difference if i was offerred the $12 million in a deal, what would I do with the extra $6 million? Perhaps a better deal is if he offerred the full $18 million in exchange for first place. I would still say no deal, although to be honest i am more likely to be the saddo offerring $18 million to be the winner. 

[Karabiner]

Surely it only degrades it for the buyer, not the seller.....

[iceman]

at one time i offered carl lewis a shedload of cash if he would finish 2cnd to me in a televised race. he declined with the i suppose quiet understandable reasoning that he couldnt run that slow as it would be obvious he was walking.

seriously though, the thought of obtaining the bracelet through deception would surely mean
living the rest
of your life as a liar. i dont think any ammount of money can compensate for that.

i maybe wrong but i believe this actual scenario occured when puggy pearson threw the
title due to the tax implications he thought he would face if he won. so when heads up a deal was done. i cant remember offhand the winner,though j moss or j strauss come to mind.

[tikay]

Surely it only degrades it for the buyer, not the seller.....

Yes, for the buyer, & more importantly, the Event.

[tikay]

at one time i offered carl lewis a shedload of cash if he would finish 2cnd to me in a televised race. he declined with the i suppose quiet understandable reasoning that he couldnt run that slow as it would be obvious he was walking.

seriously though, the thought of obtaining the bracelet through deception would surely mean
living the rest
of your life as a liar. i dont think any ammount of money can compensate for that.

i maybe wrong but i believe this actual scenario occured when puggy pearson threw the
title due to the tax implications he thought he would face if he won. so when heads up a deal was done. i cant remember offhand the winner,though j moss or j strauss come to mind.

Exactly.

[UpTheMariners]

take the deal and win it next year

[johnbhoy76]

DEAL!

Show me the money!!

There are people who think playing poker in the first place is "immoral" so to hell with anyone who would call this deal immoral. We play for money in the first place so obvioulsy I'd take a deal where I get $12 million and the other guy gets $6 million and a silly wee bracelet.

[lazaroonie]

I am still waiting to hear how you could engineer it so that you definitely lost, without some form of communication of hand strength between the two players.

because as far as I can see, if you can find a menthod that means you  guarantee that you definitely lose, then coming up with a a guaranteed method to win shouldnt be too difficult eh ?