Moral Dilemma

[Wardonkey]

Is 'boo monsters' previous behavior relevant?

And indeed that is why I posted the question, for some people it is, for others it isn't.

As to whether I have exaggerated his behaviour just to justify my behaviour that is open to you to judge. The fact you say my "subsequent poor behaviour" suggests you would think I was in the wrong and should have pointed the split pot. Personally if someone is spoiling the game and making it a core and more importantly being rude why should I do him any favours. Fine if you want to, thats your choice, for me if someone is rude then karma is a funny old thing.

The title of the thread suggests that you felt your behavior was at least morally ambiguous. I can understand your behavior, but you asked us to judge it, I judge that it was poor. In fact, I think you all behaved badly. I'm not saying your behavior was unforgivable or not understandable, I just don't think it was the right thing to do.

If 'boo monster' was behaving exactly as you describe then the dealer and TD have a responsibility to ensure the game is run at a reasonable pace and you can remind them of this responsibility. Failing that you can make your point by just calling the clock every time the action gets to 'boo monster'.

It up to the players as well as the staff to preserve the integrity of the game, when the staff are weak this responsibilty is greater, not less.

[thetank]

Love these threads, gives us all a chance to get on our high horses (or high donkeys)

[Claw75]

I probably would have pointed it out without thinking, and then wished I hadn't said anything.

[thetank]

To be honest, I think it's fair game.

Other players responsibility to call his hand if the dealer has missed it, completely your choice whether you choose to speak up, no massive moral imperative to do the dealers/other players job for him.

[dan]

Is 'boo monsters' previous behavior relevant? Yes, if he wasn't being such a dick then I'm sure diceman would have said something

Is it described, perhaps even exaggerated, only to justify the OPs subsequent poor behavior?Why would he exaggerate what the guy was doing? If the guy wasnt doing these things then diceman would know what he had done was wrong and wouldn't have given it a second thought because it would've been on purpose.

It must be great to be so perfect and correct all the time. At the end of the day it is not up to diceman,especially when he was not even in the hand, to point something out. There were 2 players and a dealer involved that shouldve spotted this.


Boo monster 

FWIW,like 95% of responses you have had, I would not have said anything either.

[kinboshi]

I wouldn't have said anything either.

But I have no morals.

[Wardonkey]

Is 'boo monsters' previous behavior relevant? Yes, if he wasn't being such a dick then I'm sure diceman would have said something

Is it described, perhaps even exaggerated, only to justify the OPs subsequent poor behavior?Why would he exaggerate what the guy was doing? If the guy wasnt doing these things then diceman would know what he had done was wrong and wouldn't have given it a second thought because it would've been on purpose.

It must be great to be so perfect and correct all the time. At the end of the day it is not up to diceman,especially when he was not even in the hand, to point something out. There were 2 players and a dealer involved that shouldve spotted this.


Boo monster 

FWIW,like 95% of responses you have had, I would not have said anything either.

I've made no claim to be perfect or always correct.

I behave badly sometimes just like everyone else, I might even had done the same  thing as diceman in this situation.

I don't think it was the 'right' thing to do, I answered the original question in the same spirit that it was asked...

[thediceman]

Indeed Wardonkey I started this thread because I thought it was an interesting dilemma and just interested to see what others would have chosen to do in similar circumstances. I am perfectly comfortable what I decided to do on this occasion due my perception of the said boo monster. I have no issues on whether people feel I was right or wrong in my decision just intrigued what others would do. I know for a fact that their are a number of people on here who would state the integrity of the game and be the better man, etc, etc but from most of the reactions via various forums the majority would have done the same. Whether this is right or wrong who can sayfor certain, hence it being moral dilemma for the individual. Whether it was a bad thing, well thats for individuals to decide.

As much as you think I behaved badly I find it amazing that people like yourself would choose to help somebody who had been an arsehole to you and the rest of the table just moments before. For me the important thing is this guy is responsible for watching the game himself and especially when he is involved in the hand. At the end of the day I'm not his baby sitter and I not setting out to cheat him by dealing him a bent deck. The circumstances were such that it was a self dealt game in a sports club with no TD. Ironically enough once this guy had gone and I was knocked out in third a similar situation happened again with regards to the remaining players going to split a pot as they pocket cards did not count as high cards however I noticed one of the players had a card that counted and I pointed this out. I normally would comment if I saw something as I did on this occasion, I just decided not to with the boo monster on account he was an arsehole.

[Wardonkey]

So it was a self dealt game and you were 3 handed, who was dealing?

Perhaps I have a slightly different perspective on this than most, I worked in casinos for a long time. In my view the bloke being an arse shouldn't be a factor, I've paid out many an obnoxious customer in all kinds of different situations. I'm able to put aside the fact that he's an arse because I've done it many times before. Once you've done that you only have to decide if it's right to point out the error or not, quite a simple decision, I think.

[JungleCat03]

I see where donk's ( ) coming from here. By him not getting his fair share of the pot, in poker terms he is losing out on some equity/money.

So is this situation not morally equivalent to him dropping a 5er out of his pocket and no one pointing it out to him because he's been such an arse.

It's understandable but at the same time, it would be nice to think that we'd all pick the 5er up and give it him back.

In your position, I would have been very tempted to not say anything and get him out of the game for expediency's sake but my reasons for doing so would be motivated by self-interest, not because it was necessarily the right thing to do.

[thediceman]

So it was a self dealt game and you were 3 handed, who was dealing?

It was four handed and the boo monster was dealing the hand in question. If I was a paid dealer doing a job I would have automatically pointed it out as that is my job irrespective of whether the boo monster was being an arse or not. As a paid dealer I could always call upon the TD to sort out any issues. In this situation it was self dealt and the responsibilty is for each individual to be aware of what is happening. The rest of the table and I were sick of having to explain everything to this pothead and in return all we got was rude back chat. If he's not paying attention, guess what, it's his fault. That's karma.

If he had dropped a fiver I would have brought a round of drinks for the players that had to put up with the boo monsters crap. That or I would have put it in the charity tin.

[Wardonkey]

What if he dropped a grand?

[thediceman]

I would have got really pissed and the charity would have been very happy.

[dan]

Is 'boo monsters' previous behavior relevant? Yes, if he wasn't being such a dick then I'm sure diceman would have said something

Is it described, perhaps even exaggerated, only to justify the OPs subsequent poor behavior?Why would he exaggerate what the guy was doing? If the guy wasnt doing these things then diceman would know what he had done was wrong and wouldn't have given it a second thought because it would've been on purpose.

It must be great to be so perfect and correct all the time. At the end of the day it is not up to diceman,especially when he was not even in the hand, to point something out. There were 2 players and a dealer involved that shouldve spotted this.


Boo monster 

FWIW,like 95% of responses you have had, I would not have said anything either.

I've made no claim to be perfect or always correct.

I behave badly sometimes just like everyone else, I might even had done the same  thing as diceman in this situation.

I don't think it was the 'right' thing to do, I answered the original question in the same spirit that it was asked...

Sorry Wardonkey, I think the way i worded my post may have been wrong.

I did not mean to say that I think you think  that you are correct/perfect/whatever. What I meant to say is yeah it would be great to live in an ideal world and yeah in a perfect world we tell the guy the mistake. What I was trying to say is that the guy was being a dick and maybe got what he deserved.

I am sorry if I my post did not come across like that. I wasnt having a pop.

[thetank]

Don't make up already, only a week till the bash and a lot of people are travelling a long distance to see some sort of ruck in the carpark.


Ah shite, forgot I was a mod. Carry on with the peace pipe passing I guess. grumble grumble