Am I Horrible For Doing this? Would you have done the same???

[iceman]

at no stage in his initial post does he say he was aware of the ruling. you ,make the assumption he knows and label him a cheat.

[ariston]

he doesnt need a ruling- he knows his hand had been beaten so why is there a need for a ruling? He had seen the hand and knew he was beat. You defending his actions tells me all I need to know about you.

[iceman]

you left your integrity open to question. dont ever tell me what i may or may not do.

the question was a hypothetical one aimed at starting debate/discussion (which it did). My integrity is fine but if you would like to take this off forum by pm or maybe question my integrity at a live game don't expect me to be so polite. I don't know you from adam so please be very careful with what you post about me on an open forum.

i shall precede with how i see fit. if you think you can intimidate me your much mistaken. as for being up close n personal,frankly youd be punching above your wieght

[ariston]

you absolute tool. I wasn't threatening anything. Why do all ex firemen think they are rocky balboa ffs. Go shit stir somewhere else you numpty (as for punching above my weight I am a real fat bstrd as most on here will confirm so I doubt thats true lol)

[iceman]

have you sacked me then? damn, i thought i had a night shift to go to

[ariston]

I'm sure plenty on the forum will vouch for my integrity and I can't believe I've got involved with a slanging match with some random tool who reckons its fine to have a random pop at someone who is answering a genuine thread. From now on if you want a row (as most fireman do- I know quite a few) just pm me and we don't need to bother anyone else on here.

[MANTIS01]

I think that the "cheating" tag is a bit mis-guided here

If jjandellis was in the same hand with "Doris" instead of "Bob" I am quite sure he would immediately point out the error. The reason he behaves the way he does is to teach his arrogant, know-it-all opponent a lesson.

However, and this is a very important poker related point....To change the way you would normally behave because of how your opponent acts means that you are letting an opponent pull your strings. In other words, your opponent is controlling how you act. You can never reach your potential in the game if this happens.

This is why I say you should have pointed out the error "in spite" of the person involved. This way your outlook, actions etc...remain constant and opponents can't get into your head. Scoring points with banter is an enjoyable part of the game, but if you take other people's actions too much to heart it leads to Broadway fist-fights, keying-car threats and blonde members having pops at each other.

The wider point then....is control your opponents....don't let them control you. A thick skin is a good attribute in this game.

[iceman]

I'm sure plenty on the forum will vouch for my integrity and I can't believe I've got involved with a slanging match with some random tool who reckons its fine to have a random pop at someone who is answering a genuine thread. From now on if you want a row (as most fireman do- I know quite a few) just pm me and we don't need to bother anyone else on here.

i dont care who would vouch for you. look at the thread you started re seeing hole cards and then defend your moral ambiguity. again you see fit to childish name calling and and an implied threat. for use of the word tool i suggest you locate ariston in your dictionary.

my defence if thats how you wish you wish to see it of the posters initial thread is mostly based on 2 things, 1 - i have no knowledge of his understanding of the rules and 2  - that people such as yourself have no right to catagorise him as a cheat without the facts. your only to willing to BULLY or attempt to.

[dealerFROMhell]

As far a cash is concerned, a player requires all his cards to collect the pot.  I would only concede the pot in a cash game if I thought it was in my long term interests i.e. a beginner or a regular donator. 

It does my head in when people say that. You can win a pot in a cash game with ONE card if you like. If you've accidentaly mucked one somehow throughout the course of the hand, as long as you started with two.

Of course, you have to show all remaining cards to take a pot.

[dealerFROMhell]

my defence if thats how you wish you wish to see it of the posters initial thread is mostly based on 2 things, 1 - i have no knowledge of his understanding of the rules and 2  - that people such as yourself have no right to catagorise him as a cheat without the facts. your only to willing to BULLY or attempt to.

Of course he's cheating. He's scraping in a pot he knows he lost. There's no two ways about it. I've never met a poker player yet who doesn't know the most basic rules of a showdown. You cannot "muck" your hand after they've been on their backs.

Even if the geezer didn't know that rule, he's still aware that he lost the pot, even if the lumpy of a dealer didn't realise it, and should have the honestt to award it to another player.

As for having "no live pot" when the chips cross the line, that's just completely made-up! Re-construct the hand, few minutes, job done.

Similair thing happened on an Omaha cash game in Manchester recently. Superivisor didn't have a clue what he was doing and made the wrong ruling when he was called by the dealer, the players decided it was a load of bollocks and chopped the pot up accordingly.

[doubleup]

the players decided it was a load of bollocks and chopped the pot up accordingly.

This is totally wrong and can obviously lead to all sorts of collusion and bullying.  The cardroom employees should make decisions and if they are getting them wrong, their incompetence should be brought to the attention of their managers.   

[ariston]

in a cash game if the players involved agree to do something its got nothing to do with the staff. Its a cash game and its our cash thats on the table so why should we put up with a half arsed decisision?

[doubleup]

in a cash game if the players involved agree to do something its got nothing to do with the staff. Its a cash game and its our cash thats on the table so why should we put up with a half arsed decisision?

Don't be naive

[MANTIS01]

What happens in a "cash game" and what happens in a "tournament" is different

In a tournament there is a tournament director or card-room manager who's specific job it is to manage the event. He/she will make consistent decisions across the board. I am quite sure there is more day to day variation at the cash tables.

[GlasgowBandit]

This is a very interesting thread!

Its like a movie plot.