Missing Madeleine

[turny]

OMG has the mental age of this forum gone to the preschool level, Bickering and one upmanship gets you no where people.

As for the McCanns,  Were they wrong to leave the children alone,  simple answer yes.

Did they deserve to have a child kidnapped/ disappear/ snatched, No

Would this have happened if they had been with their children as opposed to having a night out, probably not.

DO they deserve what they are going through, i.e anguish over a lost daughter, no they dont deserve that, should they face the legal consequences of leaving children unattended?  I say yes.

its not bickering billy its debating and im sorry if im responding to a post where another forum users states that a mother and father deserve to have there daughter abducted/murdered.

[Colchester Kev]

FFS learn to use the quote function properly, how can i be expected to follow the thead when I cant work out who said what

[MANTIS01]

Aren't we taught as poker players not to be results orientated?

There are neglected children in this world and the McGanns kids simply don't come into that category. I believe they refused the free baby-sitter because they felt leaving their kids with a stranger was more of a risk. If they chose the baby-sitter option and the baby-sitter killed Madeline would they not regret that particular choice? You may scoff at that risk...but if that did happen people would be quick to comment..."I never leave my kids with strangers"

[AndrewT]

First and foremost. Andrew T do you really believe the things you are saying?

You find that you have killed your daughter and your first instinctive reaction is to protect yourself from a ruined life. Have you not just ruined your life?...and as such aren't any additional consequences insignificant? In such an emotional state to believe that the parents primary thought was to protect themselves from future financial hardship and a brief spell in prison is quite simply absurd.

I've never been in the situation that the McCanns may have found themselves in if the new theory is correct. I really don't think that you can categorically rule out a particular course of action that people who find themselves in such a situation would take.

People in very extreme situations sometimes do very extreme things, things which even they may have thought unthinkable. People panic, they don't think straight, they do strange things.

It's very easy for us to sit here and say 'Yes, well if I'd killed my daughter I know exactly what I'd do', but until we find ourselves faced with that dilemma, we just don't know how we'd react.

[turny]

Every situation that happens there is someone that should take the blame with the exception of something that has happened by accident. They didnt leave their children in that apartment by accident therefore this situation has to have someone to blame. So who is to blame if the parents aren't? The children for wanting to go to sleep and not wanting to go the tapas bar?

i dont think anyone disagrees with you on where to proportion the blame its the issue of they "got what they deserve" that makes me uncomfortable with your post.

il state again "no one deserves there child to be abducted/murdered for the actions or lack of action the mcanns took"

[MANTIS01]

Yes Andrew I think that is a reasonable point but to actually say that is your particular view of the situation is a thoroughly poor assessment of humanity imo. I don't think it is impossible...but I wont even entertain it until proven beyond doubt.

[FlyingPig]

Its unfair to say they got what they deserved, that is callous thinking for the little girl. One thing they are guilty of, and no-one can deny is neglect. They neglected their duties as parents, they where there to protect their children, they failed in that duty and now Maddy has paid the ultimate price, not the parents. They will never pay the same price as that little girl. They should be prosecuted for neglect in their duties.

I know people will say they are paying now, and always will be, but they are only suffering a bit compared to what has happened to that girl. They should go through the justice system for their failings to protect their child. It was 300 yards (walking distance) from where they where, that means if it is okay to do that, we will have all sorts of people saying lets go the pub love, the kids are in bed, and its only 200 yards.

You should protect your children at all times.  

[AndrewT]

Yes Andrew I think that is a reasonable point but to actually say that is your particular view of the situation is a thoroughly poor assessment of humanity imo. I don't think it is impossible...but I wont even entertain it until proven beyond doubt.

The McCanns are not represenatives of humanity as a whole - this is an isolated incident. I'm sure most people don't cover up the killing of their child.

[boldie]

funny that someone should say "they neglected their child" and that "there is always someone to blame in every situation"..what a load of bollox.
You leave your child to sleep alone while you go get something to eat nearby, nearby enough so that if the child would wake up and can't sleep she can call out and you'd probably hear her (that's what's being claimed so let's assume that that's actually correct). This is not bad parenting, this is something every parent does and has done for centuries and it has never been called bad parenting. There was just someone who stole their child (not really an everyday occurance no matter what the tabloids might want to make you believe). this is of course assuming that's what happened.

As for "there's always someone to blame" well, that justabout sums up what's wrong in todays society. Used to be a "shit happens" sort of thing, these days there's always someone who should be blamed for whatever happened. (and quite often the wrong person)

[MANTIS01]

Protect them from what exactly FlyingPig? Paedophiles, kidnappers and bogeymen. If you really believe this then you should never let your children out of your sight for one second. Then your children grow up being insulated from life and lacking independence. We are blaming a loving mother for not having the foresight that her daughter could have been abducted from the holiday villa...and that is quite absurd.

The McCanns are not represenatives of humanity as a whole - this is an isolated incident. I'm sure most people don't cover up the killing of their child.

And as such I am happy to put the McGanns firmly in the wider humanity subset at this time...not jump into the sensational minority camp. This is my default mentality. If people latch onto the sensational and morbid view at the drop of a hat the world will quickly become a very sorry place.

[celtic]

Paul,

mantis eluded to the fact that the mccanns were not to blame for someone abducted their daughter, thats why i was debating the issue of blame.

why do i have issues as you call it for saying that they got what they deserve?

[Newmanseye]

OMG has the mental age of this forum gone to the preschool level, Bickering and one up manship gets you no where people.

As for the McCanns,  Were they wrong to leave the children alone,  simple answer yes.

Did they deserve to have a child kidnapped/ disappear/ snatched, No

Would this have happened if they had been with their children as opposed to having a night out, probably not.

DO they deserve what they are going through, i.e anguish over a lost daughter, no they don't deserve that, should they face the legal consequences of leaving children unattended?  I say yes.

its not bickering billy its debating and I'm sorry if I'm responding to a post where another forum users states that a mother and father deserve to have there daughter abducted/murdered.

Belly, there is a big difference between debating and bickering, this is blatant bickering and one-upmanship in certain cases.

Furthermore No one ever said that these people deserve to have their daughter kidnapped and murdered, Thats not what i read anyways, perhaps its how you interpreted  the text.

The facts that we all know stay the same, These parent were negligent and left their children alone, there is no way to cover that up or argue that fact, its that simple. 

They did not in many peoples opinions take reasonable measures to prevent the abduction of their child, I happen to agree with this.

As for the recent developments, its another act in this farce from the investigating authorities.


What Disturbs me most of all is that the Portuguese government is concerned how long this case will have an effect on their tourist trade.

This poor wee girl is either alive and out there in some way, or is dead and deserves the dignity of a proper funeral, this is where the focus should have been, always on the girl, but alas with over zealous reporters, sensationalist press and in compentent authorities the focus was never on her for long enough IMHO.

[celtic]

err i said the got what they deserved Billy

[kinboshi]

Who's Madeleine?

[happybhoy]

This same topic is raging across boards all over the net and tbh I'm sick of it, the scum rags will be fucking loving it. It's like a nationwide game of Cluedo, makes for a good BB replacement eh? No-one knows all the facts, no-one knows most of the facts, no-one knows some of the facts, unless your the polis and involved in the investigation you know the sum total of fuck all, everybody is just jumping on the bandwagon, egged on by the media. There is a process to go through and this thing will play out and the cards will fall as they may but it won't be decided by the public playing Columbo or being judge and jury. This isn't an interactive episode of Murder She Wrote, it's an ongoing investigation that turned into a circus a long time agp and regardless of what happened the McCanns are getting tried by public opinion, I'm just surprised there hasn't been a phone-in vote yet.



PS I don't know who has posted above me, but in case it's mis-interpreted this is a general rant and not meant to be a response to anybody in particular.