Booing a player for your national team

[dan]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

[turny]

i think youl find that lampard covers more ground than any other player regularly for england and chelsea. isnt that running yer cajones off?


things might not be going right for him at the moment but to accuse any player of not giving 100% when wearing there national shirt is b@ll@cks.


like in all walks of life just because the desired result isn't achieved it doesn't mean its because of a lack of effort!

[kinboshi]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

I agree.

Just to qualify that, I also think that players are instructed not to get injured, etc. when playing for their country.  Or, as is often the case, they don't actually play the international in the first place (how many times has Ferguson said that players are injured only for them to miraculously recover in time for their next club match?).

[turny]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

tell that to john terry, david beckham, wayne rooney and stevie g that to name just a few

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

I agree.

Must be bullshit then.

[matt674]

The team is void of creativity and is left with nothing but hard grafters

Admittedly I only see about 50% of the matches, but for me the main thing that has been wrong with the England setup for the last five years is the total lack of 'hard grafters'!  

Sure, a lot of the players do a great job for their club, but for whatever reason they have not produced for the country.  If Lampard - or anyone else for that matter - was to be seen working his cajones off in every match (as any player graced with the shirt damn well should do) then it wouldn't matter if we lost every game - no-one would boo him.  English fans sometimes have unrealistic expectations, but on the whole they respect players who work hard.

As for the Estonia game... no doubt it will be yet another pathetic, half-arsed game of football, which we will probably win 2-1 and then have to listen to the lazy sods papping on about how we've 'turned a corner' and got things 'back on track'.  Estonia - no goals, no points in the group so far.  With the standard of players McLaren has available to him, if he wants anyone to think we might qualify for (or win) the Euro Champs then that team has to beat Estonia by six or seven clear goals, if you ask me.

This was the point i was trying to make, England do not have the creative players like Ronaldo for Portugal, Zidane for France or Ronaldinhio for Brazil. Instead England's strength is when the game is played at a breakneck tempo that other teams cant keep up with, constant bombardment and pressure of the opposition to unsettle them.

So when the England players put in the hard graft and play the game at a non-stop tempo then they can look like a very good side - however if they dont put the graft in it appears as though they are not trying

[kinboshi]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

tell that to john terry, david beckham, wayne rooney and stevie g that to name just a few

Beckham and Owen are two players that you definitely can't criticise for playing well for their country.  They seem to shine with the threelions on their shirt.  The others you mentioned always play with the same intensity (from what I can see), and want to win for club or country.

BUT, there are players that don't play as well for their country - whether it be every game or the occasional game.  Some just don't care.

[kinboshi]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

I agree.

Must be bullshit then.

[turny]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

tell that to john terry, david beckham, wayne rooney and stevie g that to name just a few

Beckham and Owen are two players that you definitely can't criticise for playing well for their country.  They seem to shine with the threelions on their shirt.  The others you mentioned always play with the same intensity (from what I can see), and want to win for club or country.

BUT, there are players that don't play as well for their country - whether it be every game or the occasional game.  Some just don't care.

like who?


i refuse to accept that anyone pulling on a national team shirt doesn't care!
especially a player with over 50 caps. im sure he woulda been found out by the powers that be long before then

[matt674]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

[kinboshi]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

tell that to john terry, david beckham, wayne rooney and stevie g that to name just a few

Beckham and Owen are two players that you definitely can't criticise for playing well for their country.  They seem to shine with the threelions on their shirt.  The others you mentioned always play with the same intensity (from what I can see), and want to win for club or country.

BUT, there are players that don't play as well for their country - whether it be every game or the occasional game.  Some just don't care.

like who?


i refuse to accept that anyone pulling on a national team shirt doesn't care!
especially a player with over 50 caps. im sure he woulda been found out by the powers that be long before then

Did you see the Andorra game? 

[turny]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

hit the nail on the head!

so get behind what we got instead of booing andd they may over-perform instead of seamingly under-achieve!

[kinboshi]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

Man u - Neville, Brown, Ferdinand, Smith, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves, Foster, Scholes, (and some other non-English players from the British Isles).

They won the league as well, so are the strongest team (over the course of a season).

[turny]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

tell that to john terry, david beckham, wayne rooney and stevie g that to name just a few

Beckham and Owen are two players that you definitely can't criticise for playing well for their country.  They seem to shine with the threelions on their shirt.  The others you mentioned always play with the same intensity (from what I can see), and want to win for club or country.

BUT, there are players that don't play as well for their country - whether it be every game or the occasional game.  Some just don't care.

like who?


i refuse to accept that anyone pulling on a national team shirt doesn't care!
especially a player with over 50 caps. im sure he woulda been found out by the powers that be long before then

Did you see the Andorra game? 

no i didnt actually but are you saying there were players walking around deliberatly not trying?

[turny]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

Man u - Neville, Brown, Ferdinand, Smith, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves, Foster, Scholes, (and some other non-English players from the British Isles).

They won the league as well, so are the strongest team (over the course of a season).

hargreaves and foster didnt win the league