KK A hits the flop what do you do?

[boldie]

650 WSOP sat...in the SB with KK..well story happens below. My main question to all tourney players (especially the ones with higher level stakes experience) what do you do on the flop? do you lead out and fold to a raise? or check cal/check raise in this situation?

PokerStars Game #10351874184: Tournament #51776552, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/06/09 - 15:28:38 (ET)
Table '51776552 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Iteopepe88 (2878 in chips)
Seat 2: JaffaCake (7065 in chips)
Seat 3: HERITAGEM (2061 in chips)
Seat 4: siina (2375 in chips)
Seat 6: rdcrsn (1635 in chips)
Seat 7: boldedge (2470 in chips)
Seat 8: chiefs2458 (2620 in chips)
Seat 9: NLarsen (2876 in chips)
boldedge: posts small blind 15
chiefs2458: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to boldedge [ ]
NLarsen: folds
Iteopepe88: calls 30
JaffaCake: folds
HERITAGEM: folds
siina: folds
rdcrsn: folds
boldedge: raises 110 to 140
chiefs2458: folds
Iteopepe88: calls 110
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
boldedge: bets 240
Iteopepe88: raises 360 to 600
Iteopepe88 said, "KK not good?"
boldedge said, "nope"
boldedge: folds
Iteopepe88 collected 790 from pot
boldedge said, "blah...I hate KK sometimes"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 790 | Rake 0
Board [ Ah ]
Seat 1: Iteopepe88 collected (790)
Seat 2: JaffaCake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HERITAGEM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: siina folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rdcrsn (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: boldedge (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: chiefs2458 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: NLarsen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Rookie (Rodney)]

play it the same way myself.

[deepreacher]

yeah it sucks but not much different you can do here

[boldie]

oki..doesn't really matter anyways..a combination of playing like a donk (not betting when I should giving the other guy a chance to push and me having to fold..knowing he probably has F all) and not winning a single race (including hands not holding up QQ/KK etc means I'm out and well and truly pissed off.

Jaffacake was going strongly when I left..hope he gets a seat for blonde.

[GlasgowBandit]

Its a nightmare situation to get KK only for the A to hit on the flop.  I wouldn't have done anything different to you Boldie.

[johnbhoy76]

There's pros and cons to leading out.

The pros would be that it costs your opponent a lot more to bluff you off it as he has to consider your pre-flop raise could have been made with AK, AQ, AJ etc.... In this instance he risked 600 chips to take the pot off you (if he was bluffing) but if you had checked it would only have cost him 200-300 to take the pot with a bet.

It's a hard one for him to bluff at when you think about it. A pre flop raiser leads out when an Ace hits. There's a good chance he is holding an ace.

I suppose it's all down to position as usual. The guy in positon takes it down again

[lazaroonie]

650 WSOP sat...in the SB with KK..well story happens below. My main question to all tourney players (especially the ones with higher level stakes experience) what do you do on the flop? do you lead out and fold to a raise? or check cal/check raise in this situation?

PokerStars Game #10351874184: Tournament #51776552, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/06/09 - 15:28:38 (ET)
Table '51776552 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Iteopepe88 (2878 in chips)
Seat 2: JaffaCake (7065 in chips)
Seat 3: HERITAGEM (2061 in chips)
Seat 4: siina (2375 in chips)
Seat 6: rdcrsn (1635 in chips)
Seat 7: boldedge (2470 in chips)
Seat 8: chiefs2458 (2620 in chips)
Seat 9: NLarsen (2876 in chips)
boldedge: posts small blind 15
chiefs2458: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to boldedge [ ]
NLarsen: folds
Iteopepe88: calls 30
JaffaCake: folds
HERITAGEM: folds
siina: folds
rdcrsn: folds
boldedge: raises 110 to 140
chiefs2458: folds
Iteopepe88: calls 110
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
boldedge: bets 240
Iteopepe88: raises 360 to 600
Iteopepe88 said, "KK not good?"
boldedge said, "nope"
boldedge: folds
Iteopepe88 collected 790 from pot
boldedge said, "blah...I hate KK sometimes"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 790 | Rake 0
Board [ Ah ]
Seat 1: Iteopepe88 collected (790)
Seat 2: JaffaCake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HERITAGEM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: siina folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rdcrsn (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: boldedge (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: chiefs2458 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: NLarsen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

his raise looks a bit on the small side for me, but that could mean that he is trying to draw you in. But it just doesnt shout to me that he is very comfortable with his hand.

Long term however, I am of the opinion that reraising here is more +EV than folding. The problem though, is if this tournament is bigger than your normal buyin, that will skew your thinking greatly.

[Graham C]

Plus it was early doors, plenty of time to get back into it.

[boldie]

650 WSOP sat...in the SB with KK..well story happens below. My main question to all tourney players (especially the ones with higher level stakes experience) what do you do on the flop? do you lead out and fold to a raise? or check cal/check raise in this situation?

PokerStars Game #10351874184: Tournament #51776552, $615+$35 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/06/09 - 15:28:38 (ET)
Table '51776552 10' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Iteopepe88 (2878 in chips)
Seat 2: JaffaCake (7065 in chips)
Seat 3: HERITAGEM (2061 in chips)
Seat 4: siina (2375 in chips)
Seat 6: rdcrsn (1635 in chips)
Seat 7: boldedge (2470 in chips)
Seat 8: chiefs2458 (2620 in chips)
Seat 9: NLarsen (2876 in chips)
boldedge: posts small blind 15
chiefs2458: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to boldedge [ ]
NLarsen: folds
Iteopepe88: calls 30
JaffaCake: folds
HERITAGEM: folds
siina: folds
rdcrsn: folds
boldedge: raises 110 to 140
chiefs2458: folds
Iteopepe88: calls 110
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
boldedge: bets 240
Iteopepe88: raises 360 to 600
Iteopepe88 said, "KK not good?"
boldedge said, "nope"
boldedge: folds
Iteopepe88 collected 790 from pot
boldedge said, "blah...I hate KK sometimes"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 790 | Rake 0
Board [ Ah ]
Seat 1: Iteopepe88 collected (790)
Seat 2: JaffaCake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HERITAGEM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: siina folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rdcrsn (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: boldedge (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: chiefs2458 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: NLarsen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

his raise looks a bit on the small side for me, but that could mean that he is trying to draw you in. But it just doesnt shout to me that he is very comfortable with his hand.

Long term however, I am of the opinion that reraising here is more +EV than folding. The problem though, is if this tournament is bigger than your normal buyin, that will skew your thinking greatly.

yeah..after being at the table with this guy for a while and seeing how Jaffacake played against him I wish I'd reraised him again here as the guy was more than capable of putting in a bluff (in fact he did it A LOT)...and the 650 buyin did put me out of my comfortzone a touch but nothing too much..(thank God or there would be no hope for me as I satted my way in)..I simply didn't play well that day especially that tourney otherwise I would have finished a lot higher always this weekend though

[AlexMartin]

Lead out, if you get grief, pass. If he's tricky i like checkraise more.