Celtic trying to monopolise Scottish game ?

[BigTomatoes]

 Are Celtic trying to gain an advantage and stranglehold over the SPL by snapping up all the young talent and lower teams best players ?

 over the past couple of seasons these are just a few of the names i cn think of.

 Mark Brown - Inverness
 Mark Wilson - Dundee Utd
 Gary Caldwell - Hibs
 Steven Pressley - Hearts
 Scott Brown - Hibs
 Paul Hartley - Hearts
 Derek Riordan - Hibs
 Chris Killen - Hibs
 Scott McDonald - Motherwell

 now targeting Steven Naismith

 im a Celtic fan and its becoming apparent to me that this is probably a strategy to ensure they are the strongest team in the SPL , am i right ? could this be their plan ?

[Ironside]

i hope its a plan to use more scottish players and get rid of the cheap imports that ruined the national team

without scottish players in the old firm getting CL experiance the national team will slip down the pole again

[GlasgowBandit]

 Are Celtic trying to gain an advantage and stranglehold over the SPL by snapping up all the young talent and lower teams best players ?

 over the past couple of seasons these are just a few of the names i cn think of.

 Mark Brown - Inverness
 Mark Wilson - Dundee Utd
Gary Caldwell - Hibs
Steven Pressley - Hearts
 Scott Brown - Hibs
Paul Hartley - Hearts
 Derek Riordan - Hibs
 Chris Killen - Hibs
 Scott McDonald - Motherwell

 now targeting Steven Naismith

 im a Celtic fan and its becoming apparent to me that this is probably a strategy to ensure they are the strongest team in the SPL , am i right ? could this be their plan ?

Those in bold are muppets and should be shipped on during the summer along with the likes of Gravesen, Jarosik, Magic, Miller,  Beattie and Balde.

I'd love to see young Naismith at Celtic, but only if he is going to get a game.  Strachan has a nack of buying players and then not actually playing them.

I think Naismith could be the answer to our left wing problems because sadly McGeady just doesn't deliver on a regular basis.  If available I'd like us to take a chance on Damien Duff, I think we could get him for around 5-6 million we'd make the money back in revenue from many of the Irish nationals who love to see one of their stars playing at Celtic.

[Geo the Sarge]

 Are Celtic trying to gain an advantage and stranglehold over the SPL by snapping up all the young talent and lower teams best players ?

 over the past couple of seasons these are just a few of the names i cn think of.

 Mark Brown - Inverness
 Mark Wilson - Dundee Utd
Gary Caldwell - Hibs
Steven Pressley - Hearts
 Scott Brown - Hibs
Paul Hartley - Hearts
 Derek Riordan - Hibs
 Chris Killen - Hibs
 Scott McDonald - Motherwell

 now targeting Steven Naismith

 im a Celtic fan and its becoming apparent to me that this is probably a strategy to ensure they are the strongest team in the SPL , am i right ? could this be their plan ?

Those in bold are muppets and should be shipped on during the summer along with the likes of Gravesen, Jarosik, Magic, Miller,  Beattie and Balde.

I'd love to see young Naismith at Celtic, but only if he is going to get a game.  Strachan has a nack of buying players and then not actually playing them.

I think Naismith could be the answer to our left wing problems because sadly McGeady just doesn't deliver on a regular basis.  If available I'd like us to take a chance on Damien Duff, I think we could get him for around 5-6 million we'd make the money back in revenue from many of the Irish nationals who love to see one of their stars playing at Celtic.

Good post and definately agree.

Rangers have been guilty of similar stuff.

I remember when they took Kenny Miller from Hibs and he hardly played. McLeish, at the time still the Hibs manager, commented how dissappointing it was he had not been given much of a chance. Then one of the first things he done on taking over at Ibrox was to sell Miller to Wolves!

We have seen many a possible young talent be ruined in this way by both Old Firm teams.

Geo

[Boba Fett]

The deal to sell Miller was already in place when McLeish took over, it would have taken a lot to cancel the deal by the time McLeish got in (probably a guarantee of 1st team football on a regular basis)

[Teacake]

Although there are a couple of frees in that list Celtic have paid good money for most of those & probably way to much for a couple of them. That at least keeps the money in the Scottish game unlike when Rangers just bullied clubs a few years back particularly Dundee.

I'm not even sure Celtic want Naismith I think they might just be trying to push the price up as Rangers are skinto.

[fergus8]

well celtic have signed chris killen (old kent road)and scott macdonald (whitechapel road), which is a good foundation for celtic in the future (build a hotel).


is this what you mean by monopolise?

[BigTomatoes]

 yeah ,  we should be going for the likes of  Alan Gow ( Mayfair ) and Kirk Broadfoot ( Park Lane )

[fergus8]

riorden (go to jail) and scott brown (just visiting)

[johnbhoy76]

 Are Celtic trying to gain an advantage and stranglehold over the SPL by snapping up all the young talent and lower teams best players ?

 over the past couple of seasons these are just a few of the names i cn think of.

 Mark Brown - Inverness
 Mark Wilson - Dundee Utd
Gary Caldwell - Hibs
Steven Pressley - Hearts
 Scott Brown - Hibs
Paul Hartley - Hearts
 Derek Riordan - Hibs
 Chris Killen - Hibs
 Scott McDonald - Motherwell

 now targeting Steven Naismith

 im a Celtic fan and its becoming apparent to me that this is probably a strategy to ensure they are the strongest team in the SPL , am i right ? could this be their plan ?

Those in bold are muppets and should be shipped on during the summer along with the likes of Gravesen, Jarosik, Magic, Miller,  Beattie and Balde.

I'd love to see young Naismith at Celtic, but only if he is going to get a game.  Strachan has a nack of buying players and then not actually playing them.

I think Naismith could be the answer to our left wing problems because sadly McGeady just doesn't deliver on a regular basis.  If available I'd like us to take a chance on Damien Duff, I think we could get him for around 5-6 million we'd make the money back in revenue from many of the Irish nationals who love to see one of their stars playing at Celtic.

Good post and definately agree.

Rangers have been guilty of similar stuff.

I remember when they took Kenny Miller from Hibs and he hardly played. McLeish, at the time still the Hibs manager, commented how dissappointing it was he had not been given much of a chance. Then one of the first things he done on taking over at Ibrox was to sell Miller to Wolves!

We have seen many a possible young talent be ruined in this way by both Old Firm teams.

Geo

At the end of the day though the players themsleves have to take some responsibilty.

Kenny Miller made 44 appearances for Celtic last year and managed 8 goals.

No-one can say he was not given a chance last season. So I think Dick Advocaat was correct not to give him a loat of games and it looks like McCleish was right to punt him.

Rather than moaning about foreign players ruining the game why don't the Scots up their game a bit?

[lazaroonie]

i hope its a plan to use more scottish players and get rid of the cheap imports that ruined the national team

without scottish players in the old firm getting CL experiance the national team will slip down the pole again

To be fair it wasnt the foreign imports brought in by Celtic or Rangers which caused the standards to fall in scotland - it was the absolute foreign dross which was bought by the wee teams, including aberdeen.

[Ironside]

i hope its a plan to use more scottish players and get rid of the cheap imports that ruined the national team

without scottish players in the old firm getting CL experiance the national team will slip down the pole again

To be fair it wasnt the foreign imports brought in by Celtic or Rangers which caused the standards to fall in scotland - it was the absolute foreign dross which was bought by the wee teams, including aberdeen.

the problem was that scottish players were not getting european football and at present wont unless they get into the old firm first team
the good news is teams like hibs and aberdeen are bring through scotish youngsters again (maybe not too great in the aberdeen set up but they are trying) and the old firm are buying up young scottish talent hopefully these players will get european football making the setup to the national team easier

who can remember macnaughtons performance in paris
he never got experiance above SPL and when he was ready to move on to the old firm they were still using forgien players so he got a cap and froze now playing his football in the championship and will never get another chance at a level he should of been able to handle due to stepping up from a medicore SPL side to the national side missing a couple of steps in lelvel out

[GlasgowBandit]

The issue with the Scottish game is thelack of ambition of the smaller clubs.  I am no fan of Gordon Smith, but I hope and prey that he has some sort of radical ideas that will reshape our game from top to bottom.

Some things I would like to see:

** 16 team Premier League
** 16 team 2nd tier
** 3 relegation places in each league, when demoted from the 2nd tier teams should play in a Conference style set up.
** A move towards summer football
** Scrap the European Place for runners up in National Cup Competitions
** Voluntarty introduction of the 3 foreigner room.  Players from the home nations would not count as foreign for this purpose.
** Scrap the need to have 2 players under 21 on the bench.
** Option for bigger clubs to have their U21's or a B-Team in 2nd tier, these clubs would include Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen.


These are all suggestions I think are achievable, the only issue I can see if the stubborn self preservation attitude of some of the peripheral clubs getting in the way.

Yesterday I noted a comment from a football forum from Eddie Thompson, Chairman at Dundee United "We earn around a 150k per match from the old firm and as little as 15k per match against clubs like Dunfermline and Kilmarnock" Suggesting that he is clearly not interested in modernising or moving the game forward.

Now is this due to financial interests or is it lack of ambition or perhaps a combination of both?

[Ironside]

16 team top filght is something i have posted about on blonde before its a must
2nd tier of 16 would work well allowing some of the smaller clubs (like elgin) to drop down a level
to then be able to move forward in the future
2 up 2 down from 2nd tier would be enough with 8 teams coming from the main non league compertitions (including the juniors)
competing in a play off system (2 play offs of 4 teams)
summer football is harm to get round
1 it produces a more skillfull game
2 it makes for a more enjoyable enviorment to watch the game

but
1 the fans have other intrests and family stuff going on during the good weather
2 the way scottish teams play the players would be dead on there feet when the temp got over 26 or 27
3 lose the christmas tradtion (although to some extend thats gone since the abolition of the boxing day derby games)

scrap any place in europe for cup comertitions IMHO since there is no ECWC anymore it should be based over a season and not a run of 3 or 4 games

3 foreigners rule wouldnt matter with a 16 team league for reasons i gave in my  post on the that format limiting teams to 3 forgieners would hinder the top teams in europe though and therefore weaken our chances of getting a 3rd UEFA spot in the future

there is no rule of 2 under 21s on the bench its 3 in the match day squad i like this rule as it means teams are more likely to blood young scottish talent

not keen on b team or under 21 teams in 2nd tier but think using feeder clubs would be a good idea


short sightedness is whats keeping scotish football down and why we have the dreadfull split after 33 games as clubs need the 4 home games vrs the oldfirm to balance the books
rather than looking at ways to get gets up for the rest of the games

[Bazzaboy]

i hope its a plan to use more scottish players and get rid of the cheap imports that ruined the national team

without scottish players in the old firm getting CL experiance the national team will slip down the pole again

To be fair it wasnt the foreign imports brought in by Celtic or Rangers which caused the standards to fall in scotland - it was the absolute foreign dross which was bought by the wee teams, including aberdeen.

the problem was that scottish players were not getting european football and at present wont unless they get into the old firm first team
the good news is teams like hibs and aberdeen are bring through scotish youngsters again (maybe not too great in the aberdeen set up but they are trying) and the old firm are buying up young scottish talent hopefully these players will get european football making the setup to the national team easier

who can remember macnaughtons performance in paris
he never got experiance above SPL and when he was ready to move on to the old firm they were still using forgien players so he got a cap and froze now playing his football in the championship and will never get another chance at a level he should of been able to handle due to stepping up from a medicore SPL side to the national side missing a couple of steps in lelvel out

Wasn't MacNaughton left out in Paris by Vogts after being told he would play?