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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2007, 08:14:59 AM »

I have played poker against a Blind player in the past and yes Braille cards were used. However, the big disadvantage he had was that he had to remember the flop cards once announced. Although I guess he could ask for a reminder of what the cards were, I remember one hand in particular in which he thought he had a potential straight, but had in fact forgotten the cards on the flop and could not hit a straight.



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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2007, 09:00:01 AM »

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see why braille cards would be a problem - presumably the sighted players can't make out the braille markings..? Obviously having cards 'marked' in this way would potentially be a problem in a self-deal game, but when the dealer isn't playing I'd have thought that noone would be able to tell what anyone else's cards were just by the braille markings? No?

I agree, he should be allowed to play. And it's, er, shortsighted of the organisers, on behalf of the poker world in general, not to see the PR advantages of finding a way for him to play, and the disadvantages of excluding him. But I guess maybe it's all too big already for them to be bothered about that sort of thing.


i can read braillie and i know alot of sighted people that can

not saying i could read a braille book (not sure i could carry one) but i can read basic letters and keywords
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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2007, 09:44:57 AM »

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2007, 10:02:19 AM »

Actually ariston we've got that fecker with the spring legs now running on the Athletics circuit and a poss for the Full bodied Olympics. Pretty ridiculous I'd say because I'm not sure where you'd draw the line...I'll have me legs off and have a Porsche grafted on..Gold medal sorted.
Personally I don't think he has a leg to stand on.
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2007, 10:20:55 AM »

I've never played with braille cards, so maybe I'm wrong here, but how can sighted people read what cards people have?  Surely the braille is on the front of the cards, the bit that's face down?  You could only read the braille with your eyes if you could read the print on the face of the card. 

Anyway, there's an easy technological solution.  A small device that is a computer with a hand-held scanner and OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software, and is effectively an electronic braille reader that's the size of a PDA:



They also have a reader to 'scan' their cards, and the dealer has one to scan the board cards.  This wirelessly transmits to the reader so the player can 'read' the board whenever they want.  It's not going to hold the play up by more than a few seconds.  It doesn't even need to be a braille device, they could just wear an earphone and it could convert the braille/text to voice automatically.  The scanners are very good these days, and are suitable for reading newspapers - so they would very easily deal with a pack of cards that have large characters on them in a standard format.

Very simple, very easy to move from one table to the next. 

The most difficult element is the betting and counting of chips.  But again, I'm sure there's an easy solution for that too.

Where there's a will there's a way - obviously the will isn't there.

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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2007, 10:45:30 AM »

would he be on the blinds every hand?Huh?Huh?
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2007, 10:56:27 AM »

Can we just stop this nonsense...we've got Braille cards..feckin PDAs..scanners...jesus just let the fecker play online with a IT competent labrador.
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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2007, 11:20:27 AM »

What if the person sat next to him can hear the card reader talking to him? I know you can hear the people that sit there with ipods and walkmans most of the time this may not be any different.
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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2007, 11:25:45 AM »

What if the person sat next to him can hear the card reader talking to him? I know you can hear the people that sit there with ipods and walkmans most of the time this may not be any different.

They have them on too loud.

It's just them same as someone revealing their cards to you when they have a look.
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2007, 11:28:02 AM »

He may be slightly hard of hearing though and need it turned up that little bit more.  Perhaps we should have slightly larger tables to accomodate for it?  Surely we can't descriminate against the hard of hearing too.
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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2007, 11:28:52 AM »

He may be slightly hard of hearing though and need it turned up that little bit more.  Perhaps we should have slightly larger tables to accomodate for it?  Surely we can't descriminate against the hard of hearing too.

He could use the braille reader instead if he's hard of hearing.
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2007, 11:30:31 AM »

ah good point

what if his fingers w................... Cheesy

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2007, 11:32:31 AM »

ah good point

what if his fingers w................... Cheesy



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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2007, 11:32:44 AM »

Actually ariston we've got that fecker with the spring legs now running on the Athletics circuit and a poss for the Full bodied Olympics.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius


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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2007, 11:36:42 AM »

Not forgetting of course you'll need different size chips for each denomination...
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