Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

Tooting I think

yup both from Tooting, as are both my parents. One of my aunts used to knock about with Jimmy back in those days, and Tony Meo lived a few doors away from me when I was growing up.

Really?

He was, even then - he'd be 16 or 18 I think, a little oder than Jimmy I seem to recall - very dapper, very smart, almost dandy-like. He was one of Barry Hearn's first ever signings at Matchroom, just after SD, but Jimmy went another route.

yeah this would have been early 80s-early 90s - he was slightly older than my parents. That was in Morden rather than Tooting (bit posher like, when you've made good, coz it's technically in Surrey innit). Tony lived in a big extended semi with his family and we lived in the mock tudor terraces backing onto it

just had a look on wiki and both are a bit younger than I realised - actually a couple of years younger than my folks. Everyone looks old when you're 10 tho

Jimmy White born 1962 - that adds up, so he would have been 12 or 13 when he was dossing round the poker halls & I first encountered him.

I used to play snooker at Victoria snooker club/hall for a few years  but around 1981 it was closed down and all of the players moved a mile or so South of the river and took up residence in Wandsworth snooker club. By some strange quirke of fate the tables were shipped to Nottingham and took up residence in the place where i believe you used to play Tony. I always had a hankering to go and seek out my old favourite table #2 on which i was rarely beaten in those olden days, but like many things I never got around to it.

Wandsworth snooker club was a fantastic place and it opened up a kaleidascope of new avenues for a gambler such as I. Jimmy White and Tony Meo were regulars there, Jimmy was about sixteen then. They were both "Bob's boys". Bob Davies was a cab driver who had an eye for raw snooker talent and had a stable of young players that he used to back for decent money. Steve Ventham was another terrific young player in his stable who made the final of Junior Pot Black losing to John Parrott before fading into obscurity. I remember him massacring me the one time I made the mistake of playing him for money.

Others that I met there took me into poker. Steve Jermyn was another decent player but he also dealt poker at a club on the edge of Soho called The Mazurka, just off Windmill Street which I was invited to attend. The game was run by the legendary Ted Iles and it would be true to say that the day I first stepped in there my poker education began in earnest.

Lenton Abbey Snooker Club!

Wow, I wasted some time there, not all of it on snooker. It was where, really, I first, having just left home after Dad died & moved up North to "freedom" & independence, discovered women. I know, it's odd, I was not a teenager, I was in my thirties, but thats where it all began for me.

I knew the foibles of every table in that Club, tight pockets, big pockets, impossible middle piockets, tables which "ran off", were slow, fast, da de da. Every Table was different, & I knew every one.

I had a most extraordinary thing happen, with a barmaid there, & later her daughter, which caused me some difficulty for a while, but best not go into that. And there was another barmaid at the same place, a few years later, and that story was just beyond belief, I'll think of it as I lay on my deathbed, it was so remarkable, & strange. Wow, the memory makes me shudder.

[EvilPie]

Lenton Abbey Snooker Club!

Wow, I wasted some time there, not all of it on snooker. It was where, really, I first, having just left home after Dad died & moved up North to "freedom" & independence, discovered women. I know, it's odd, I was not a teenager, I was in my thirties, but thats where it all began for me.

I knew the foibles of every table in that Club, tight pockets, big pockets, impossible middle piockets, tables which "ran off", were slow, fast, da de da. Every Table was different, & I knew every one.

I had a most extraordinary thing happen, with a barmaid there, & later her daughter, which caused me some difficulty for a while, but best not go into that. And there was another barmaid at the same place, a few years later, and that story was just beyond belief, I'll think of it as I lay on my deathbed, it was so remarkable, & strange. Wow, the memory makes me shudder.

You teased us with this a few months back. Get it told!!!

Don't just think about it on your deathbed. A great story should be shared. It shouldn't be allowed to die.

[tikay]

Lenton Abbey Snooker Club!

Wow, I wasted some time there, not all of it on snooker. It was where, really, I first, having just left home after Dad died & moved up North to "freedom" & independence, discovered women. I know, it's odd, I was not a teenager, I was in my thirties, but thats where it all began for me.

I knew the foibles of every table in that Club, tight pockets, big pockets, impossible middle piockets, tables which "ran off", were slow, fast, da de da. Every Table was different, & I knew every one.

I had a most extraordinary thing happen, with a barmaid there, & later her daughter, which caused me some difficulty for a while, but best not go into that. And there was another barmaid at the same place, a few years later, and that story was just beyond belief, I'll think of it as I lay on my deathbed, it was so remarkable, & strange. Wow, the memory makes me shudder.

You teased us with this a few months back. Get it told!!!

Don't just think about it on your deathbed. A great story should be shared. It shouldn't be allowed to die.

No, that was a different story.

[Karabiner]

Tooting I think

yup both from Tooting, as are both my parents. One of my aunts used to knock about with Jimmy back in those days, and Tony Meo lived a few doors away from me when I was growing up.

Really?

He was, even then - he'd be 16 or 18 I think, a little oder than Jimmy I seem to recall - very dapper, very smart, almost dandy-like. He was one of Barry Hearn's first ever signings at Matchroom, just after SD, but Jimmy went another route.

yeah this would have been early 80s-early 90s - he was slightly older than my parents. That was in Morden rather than Tooting (bit posher like, when you've made good, coz it's technically in Surrey innit). Tony lived in a big extended semi with his family and we lived in the mock tudor terraces backing onto it

just had a look on wiki and both are a bit younger than I realised - actually a couple of years younger than my folks. Everyone looks old when you're 10 tho

Jimmy White born 1962 - that adds up, so he would have been 12 or 13 when he was dossing round the poker halls & I first encountered him.

I used to play snooker at Victoria snooker club/hall for a few years  but around 1981 it was closed down and all of the players moved a mile or so South of the river and took up residence in Wandsworth snooker club. By some strange quirke of fate the tables were shipped to Nottingham and took up residence in the place where i believe you used to play Tony. I always had a hankering to go and seek out my old favourite table #2 on which i was rarely beaten in those olden days, but like many things I never got around to it.

Wandsworth snooker club was a fantastic place and it opened up a kaleidascope of new avenues for a gambler such as I. Jimmy White and Tony Meo were regulars there, Jimmy was about sixteen then. They were both "Bob's boys". Bob Davies was a cab driver who had an eye for raw snooker talent and had a stable of young players that he used to back for decent money. Steve Ventham was another terrific young player in his stable who made the final of Junior Pot Black losing to John Parrott before fading into obscurity. I remember him massacring me the one time I made the mistake of playing him for money.

Others that I met there took me into poker. Steve Jermyn was another decent player but he also dealt poker at a club on the edge of Soho called The Mazurka, just off Windmill Street which I was invited to attend. The game was run by the legendary Ted Iles and it would be true to say that the day I first stepped in there my poker education began in earnest.

Lenton Abbey Snooker Club!

Wow, I wasted some time there, not all of it on snooker. It was where, really, I first, having just left home after Dad died & moved up North to "freedom" & independence, discovered women. I know, it's odd, I was not a teenager, I was in my thirties, but thats where it all began for me.

I knew the foibles of every table in that Club, tight pockets, big pockets, impossible middle piockets, tables which "ran off", were slow, fast, da de da. Every Table was different, & I knew every one.

I had a most extraordinary thing happen, with a barmaid there, & later her daughter, which caused me some difficulty for a while, but best not go into that. And there was another barmaid at the same place, a few years later, and that story was just beyond belief, I'll think of it as I lay on my deathbed, it was so remarkable, & strange. Wow, the memory makes me shudder.

The "front" or #1 table at Victoria was different from all of the others, it had brass fittings on the pockets and played totally different from the others, I must have been fourteen points worse on that table than on my favourite #2 which had slightly "soft" pockets at the business(black) end of the table. The trouble was after a while I could only get decent action on that horrible one with the brass fittings, it was just slightly higher than the others too

Do you remember that table ?

[mondatoo]

"Elsadog/popdog" - who dates back to Tribeca & the 1808 gang - won the SP Main last night, for a few grand - he is a TOP bloke, & has been Posting on blonde a little recently. Lives near Ruabon I believe, & I could tell you a fascinating stiory about Quarry Tiles made in Ruabon, but even Tighty might think that was too OTT.

Also, more blondeite news, the SP Total Player thing is down to 3, & 2 of them are blondes - Nutter5932 & DanTB10, both of whom were with me in Vegas last year, having won packages. Terrific lads, both of them, play within their means, never borrow or get staked, & make a very nice living. I don't mind who wins TP, but either of those two lads would be good representatives of the Company & brand. Well done, & good luck, them.

Before I go on I'm not picking an arguement here for the sake of it,would I ever 

But you say this as if it makes them a bad person/or at least a better person for not having ? I don't see how

IMO someone who I've borrowed money to who I don't know that well and pays back that money plus a pint obv is a more trustworthy friend then they where before,someone who borrows money is not flawed at all imo as long as they pay it back and are grateful,and as for staking It's always the stakers choice whether they think it's good value or not to stake someone it's irrelevant to the arguement but I've recieved staking a couple of times without return and although I would've liked to have given a return to the people who showed faith in me I don't feel bad that I didn't since I give it my best and just wasn't my day that time.I know from your previous posts that you don't approve of debt etc but it doesn't reflect on someones character if they do either imo,hope you don't take offence by my questioning you on this and see it for the nature that it's ment,interest in your opinion

[lazaroonie]

Tooting I think

yup both from Tooting, as are both my parents. One of my aunts used to knock about with Jimmy back in those days, and Tony Meo lived a few doors away from me when I was growing up.

Really?

He was, even then - he'd be 16 or 18 I think, a little oder than Jimmy I seem to recall - very dapper, very smart, almost dandy-like. He was one of Barry Hearn's first ever signings at Matchroom, just after SD, but Jimmy went another route.

yeah this would have been early 80s-early 90s - he was slightly older than my parents. That was in Morden rather than Tooting (bit posher like, when you've made good, coz it's technically in Surrey innit). Tony lived in a big extended semi with his family and we lived in the mock tudor terraces backing onto it

just had a look on wiki and both are a bit younger than I realised - actually a couple of years younger than my folks. Everyone looks old when you're 10 tho

Jimmy White born 1962 - that adds up, so he would have been 12 or 13 when he was dossing round the poker halls & I first encountered him.

I used to play snooker at Victoria snooker club/hall for a few years  but around 1981 it was closed down and all of the players moved a mile or so South of the river and took up residence in Wandsworth snooker club. By some strange quirke of fate the tables were shipped to Nottingham and took up residence in the place where i believe you used to play Tony. I always had a hankering to go and seek out my old favourite table #2 on which i was rarely beaten in those olden days, but like many things I never got around to it.

Wandsworth snooker club was a fantastic place and it opened up a kaleidascope of new avenues for a gambler such as I. Jimmy White and Tony Meo were regulars there, Jimmy was about sixteen then. They were both "Bob's boys". Bob Davies was a cab driver who had an eye for raw snooker talent and had a stable of young players that he used to back for decent money. Steve Ventham was another terrific young player in his stable who made the final of Junior Pot Black losing to John Parrott before fading into obscurity. I remember him massacring me the one time I made the mistake of playing him for money.

Others that I met there took me into poker. Steve Jermyn was another decent player but he also dealt poker at a club on the edge of Soho called The Mazurka, just off Windmill Street which I was invited to attend. The game was run by the legendary Ted Iles and it would be true to say that the day I first stepped in there my poker education began in earnest.

i went to a party/barbeque in jimmy whites house in oxshott with a builder mate who had done a lot of work for him. i went on the 513 bus from kingston 

a few months later i was back at his house with my builder mate and a few other guys to add a bit of bulk/credibility cos the bold jimmy owed him about 25 grand and was pleading poverty....

[77dave]

How do you like todays google page?

[StuartHopkin]

"Elsadog/popdog" - who dates back to Tribeca & the 1808 gang - won the SP Main last night, for a few grand - he is a TOP bloke, & has been Posting on blonde a little recently. Lives near Ruabon I believe, & I could tell you a fascinating stiory about Quarry Tiles made in Ruabon, but even Tighty might think that was too OTT.

Also, more blondeite news, the SP Total Player thing is down to 3, & 2 of them are blondes - Nutter5932 & DanTB10, both of whom were with me in Vegas last year, having won packages. Terrific lads, both of them, play within their means, never borrow or get staked, & make a very nice living. I don't mind who wins TP, but either of those two lads would be good representatives of the Company & brand. Well done, & good luck, them.

Before I go on I'm not picking an arguement here for the sake of it,would I ever 

But you say this as if it makes them a bad person/or at least a better person for not having ? I don't see how

IMO someone who I've borrowed money to who I don't know that well and pays back that money plus a pint obv is a more trustworthy friend then they where before,someone who borrows money is not flawed at all imo as long as they pay it back and are grateful,and as for staking It's always the stakers choice whether they think it's good value or not to stake someone it's irrelevant to the arguement but I've recieved staking a couple of times without return and although I would've liked to have given a return to the people who showed faith in me I don't feel bad that I didn't since I give it my best and just wasn't my day that time.I know from your previous posts that you don't approve of debt etc but it doesn't reflect on someones character if they do either imo,hope you don't take offence by my questioning you on this and see it for the nature that it's ment,interest in your opinion

I this not blurring the lines between being staked and being a nipper?

I don't think staking works well in general, but people on a well organised and pre-agreed long term staking deal are doing nothing wrong at all.

I think borrowing money to play beyond your means is terrbile though and something that probably 50% of poker players do regularly.

[Karabiner]

Tooting I think

yup both from Tooting, as are both my parents. One of my aunts used to knock about with Jimmy back in those days, and Tony Meo lived a few doors away from me when I was growing up.

Really?

He was, even then - he'd be 16 or 18 I think, a little oder than Jimmy I seem to recall - very dapper, very smart, almost dandy-like. He was one of Barry Hearn's first ever signings at Matchroom, just after SD, but Jimmy went another route.

yeah this would have been early 80s-early 90s - he was slightly older than my parents. That was in Morden rather than Tooting (bit posher like, when you've made good, coz it's technically in Surrey innit). Tony lived in a big extended semi with his family and we lived in the mock tudor terraces backing onto it

just had a look on wiki and both are a bit younger than I realised - actually a couple of years younger than my folks. Everyone looks old when you're 10 tho

Jimmy White born 1962 - that adds up, so he would have been 12 or 13 when he was dossing round the poker halls & I first encountered him.

I used to play snooker at Victoria snooker club/hall for a few years  but around 1981 it was closed down and all of the players moved a mile or so South of the river and took up residence in Wandsworth snooker club. By some strange quirke of fate the tables were shipped to Nottingham and took up residence in the place where i believe you used to play Tony. I always had a hankering to go and seek out my old favourite table #2 on which i was rarely beaten in those olden days, but like many things I never got around to it.

Wandsworth snooker club was a fantastic place and it opened up a kaleidascope of new avenues for a gambler such as I. Jimmy White and Tony Meo were regulars there, Jimmy was about sixteen then. They were both "Bob's boys". Bob Davies was a cab driver who had an eye for raw snooker talent and had a stable of young players that he used to back for decent money. Steve Ventham was another terrific young player in his stable who made the final of Junior Pot Black losing to John Parrott before fading into obscurity. I remember him massacring me the one time I made the mistake of playing him for money.

Others that I met there took me into poker. Steve Jermyn was another decent player but he also dealt poker at a club on the edge of Soho called The Mazurka, just off Windmill Street which I was invited to attend. The game was run by the legendary Ted Iles and it would be true to say that the day I first stepped in there my poker education began in earnest.

Lenton Abbey Snooker Club!

Wow, I wasted some time there, not all of it on snooker. It was where, really, I first, having just left home after Dad died & moved up North to "freedom" & independence, discovered women. I know, it's odd, I was not a teenager, I was in my thirties, but thats where it all began for me.

I knew the foibles of every table in that Club, tight pockets, big pockets, impossible middle piockets, tables which "ran off", were slow, fast, da de da. Every Table was different, & I knew every one.

I had a most extraordinary thing happen, with a barmaid there, & later her daughter, which caused me some difficulty for a while, but best not go into that. And there was another barmaid at the same place, a few years later, and that story was just beyond belief, I'll think of it as I lay on my deathbed, it was so remarkable, & strange. Wow, the memory makes me shudder.

The "front" or #1 table at Victoria was different from all of the others, it had brass fittings on the pockets and played totally different from the others, I must have been fourteen points worse on that table than on my favourite #2 which had slightly "soft" pockets at the business(black) end of the table. The trouble was after a while I could only get decent action on that horrible one with the brass fittings, it was just slightly higher than the others too

Do you remember that table ?

 

[nirvana]

I used to play in the club at Wandsworth, no great shakes as a player but I can remember Jimmy White in there on a Sat morning before going to play the B & H at Wembley. Qute a nice vicarious thing to be playing on the next table along

[mondatoo]

"Elsadog/popdog" - who dates back to Tribeca & the 1808 gang - won the SP Main last night, for a few grand - he is a TOP bloke, & has been Posting on blonde a little recently. Lives near Ruabon I believe, & I could tell you a fascinating stiory about Quarry Tiles made in Ruabon, but even Tighty might think that was too OTT.

Also, more blondeite news, the SP Total Player thing is down to 3, & 2 of them are blondes - Nutter5932 & DanTB10, both of whom were with me in Vegas last year, having won packages. Terrific lads, both of them, play within their means, never borrow or get staked, & make a very nice living. I don't mind who wins TP, but either of those two lads would be good representatives of the Company & brand. Well done, & good luck, them.

Before I go on I'm not picking an arguement here for the sake of it,would I ever 

But you say this as if it makes them a bad person/or at least a better person for not having ? I don't see how

IMO someone who I've borrowed money to who I don't know that well and pays back that money plus a pint obv is a more trustworthy friend then they where before,someone who borrows money is not flawed at all imo as long as they pay it back and are grateful,and as for staking It's always the stakers choice whether they think it's good value or not to stake someone it's irrelevant to the arguement but I've recieved staking a couple of times without return and although I would've liked to have given a return to the people who showed faith in me I don't feel bad that I didn't since I give it my best and just wasn't my day that time.I know from your previous posts that you don't approve of debt etc but it doesn't reflect on someones character if they do either imo,hope you don't take offence by my questioning you on this and see it for the nature that it's ment,interest in your opinion

I this not blurring the lines between being staked and being a nipper?

I don't think staking works well in general, but people on a well organised and pre-agreed long term staking deal are doing nothing wrong at all.

I think borrowing money to play beyond your means is terrbile though and something that probably 50% of poker players do regularly.

Not really sure what your referring to here ?

I agree that stakers are less likely to see a return on a one-off stake due to the simple fact of variance other than anything else and therefore they're taking a chance but as has been seen from staking threads on here if people don't think it's good value they don't buy so I can't see where anyone is doing any wrong.It's there choice whether they choose to enter into that agreement.

I agree borrowing money to play beyond your means is crazy,in my defence... ...

I do kind of think it's different that I did it to go to Vegas but maybe it's not,I would never do it to play a one off tournament.

[StuartHopkin]

"Elsadog/popdog" - who dates back to Tribeca & the 1808 gang - won the SP Main last night, for a few grand - he is a TOP bloke, & has been Posting on blonde a little recently. Lives near Ruabon I believe, & I could tell you a fascinating stiory about Quarry Tiles made in Ruabon, but even Tighty might think that was too OTT.

Also, more blondeite news, the SP Total Player thing is down to 3, & 2 of them are blondes - Nutter5932 & DanTB10, both of whom were with me in Vegas last year, having won packages. Terrific lads, both of them, play within their means, never borrow or get staked, & make a very nice living. I don't mind who wins TP, but either of those two lads would be good representatives of the Company & brand. Well done, & good luck, them.

Before I go on I'm not picking an arguement here for the sake of it,would I ever 

But you say this as if it makes them a bad person/or at least a better person for not having ? I don't see how

IMO someone who I've borrowed money to who I don't know that well and pays back that money plus a pint obv is a more trustworthy friend then they where before,someone who borrows money is not flawed at all imo as long as they pay it back and are grateful,and as for staking It's always the stakers choice whether they think it's good value or not to stake someone it's irrelevant to the arguement but I've recieved staking a couple of times without return and although I would've liked to have given a return to the people who showed faith in me I don't feel bad that I didn't since I give it my best and just wasn't my day that time.I know from your previous posts that you don't approve of debt etc but it doesn't reflect on someones character if they do either imo,hope you don't take offence by my questioning you on this and see it for the nature that it's ment,interest in your opinion

I this not blurring the lines between being staked and being a nipper?

I don't think staking works well in general, but people on a well organised and pre-agreed long term staking deal are doing nothing wrong at all.

I think borrowing money to play beyond your means is terrbile though and something that probably 50% of poker players do regularly.

Not really sure what your referring to here ?

I agree that stakers are less likely to see a return on a one-off stake due to the simple fact of variance other than anything else and therefore they're taking a chance but as has been seen from staking threads on here if people don't think it's good value they don't buy so I can't see where anyone is doing any wrong.It's there choice whether they choose to enter into that agreement.

I agree borrowing money to play beyond your means is crazy,in my defence... ...

I do kind of think it's different that I did it to go to Vegas but maybe it's not,I would never do it to play a one off tournament.

Think my post was a little unclear.
It seemed to me that old man Kendall didnt see the difference between well comunicated happy staking agreements, and someone asking to borrow a ton so they can play a comp that they cant really afford.

[kinboshi]

We discussed funny names on here a month or so ago.

Just stumbled over this one:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7065824.ece

Note the name of the author.  Slightly inappropriate?

[Dingdell]

We discussed funny names on here a month or so ago.

Just stumbled over this one:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7065824.ece

Note the name of the author.  Slightly inappropriate?

LOl - thats v good!

A shop near me serves Indian takeaway snacks like onion bhajis etc. I know it's childish but it alaways makes me laugh as I drive past, its called Butt Savouries.

[Claw75]

We discussed funny names on here a month or so ago.

Just stumbled over this one:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7065824.ece

Note the name of the author.  Slightly inappropriate?

or wholly appropriate. or holy appropriate.