Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

I thought you could take ur 3k back if the action changes in front of you?

yeah that's what I thought as well..we just had a discussion about this on the board not that long ago, no?

  wrong ruling surely.

To be fair Mr Kendall didn't say the ruling was he had to stick the 3k in..it could just have been him being stubborn.

I never sought a Ruling, & there was not one.

I made a mistake, & we have to pay our Bills in life, not squirm out of them.

But I'm quite certain that if I act out of turn, through no fault of anyone else, & plonk 3k in, then it'd be wholly improper to try & take it back once the guy before me had acted, &, in effect, "showed his hand" strength. To try & take it back would have given me an unfair advantage - I'd made a move, got caught, & I can't imagine a scenario where it would be right to try to take my Bet back.

And Mr Kendall is NOT stubborn. Right?

[boldie]

I thought you could take ur 3k back if the action changes in front of you?

yeah that's what I thought as well..we just had a discussion about this on the board not that long ago, no?

  wrong ruling surely.

To be fair Mr Kendall didn't say the ruling was he had to stick the 3k in..it could just have been him being stubborn.

I never sought a Ruling, & there was not one.

I made a mistake, & we have to pay our Bills in life, not squirm out of them.

But I'm quite certain that if I act out of turn, through no fault of anyone else, & plonk 3k in, then it'd be wholly improper to try & take it back once the guy before me had acted, &, in effect, "showed his hand" strength. To try & take it back would have given me an unfair advantage - I'd made a move, got caught, & I can't imagine a scenario where it would be right to try to take my Bet back.

And Mr Kendall is NOT stubborn. Right?

Sorry Sir, Mr Kendall, Sir.

[tikay]

When our body clock and the chemistry of an adrenelin rush clash, odd things happen.

I got home at about 5am, but was hyped up for some reason. Despite knowing I have a Show to do tonight, I stated writing, for about 3 hours, & could have continued all day. I got to bed eventually, still could not sleep, & eventually nodded off at about 10am. Alarm went off at 11, so I could get to London, & I feel absolutely wrecked.

Tonight's gonna be difficult, I'm so tired.

I'll never learn.

[kinboshi]

Then another loss of concentration bombed me completely - but this time, it was the other guy who lost concentration. He was a very tidy player, one you could "trust" to do the right thing, if you get my meaning. I had the absolutes, with double extensions, on the Turn, & the money was shovelled in. I was a bit shocked when he re-popped me - he can only have the same hand, & I had the extensions locked up. It Paired on the end, & he scooped he lot. When his Hand was exposed, he said he'd had the nuts on the Turn, only to now realise he had the under-straight, but had got out of it when the River paired the board. My £1,100, soon-to-be, or so I thought, £2,200, was now nothing. That's what comes from counting my chickens. Or admiring my Omelette.

That was certainly an ouch moment. 

I pulled up, & then Richard Berridge gave me a "sporting call", & my Top Set got rivered by the wheel., & that was me, Busto.

I see your luck didn't improve. Ouch again. 

Look on the bright side though.  You got to sit at the table with a celebrity.

Character building stuff.

Yes, something like that...

[77dave]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

[tikay]

The Bare Jack Trick.

I chronicle some of my dog-awful plays at the poker table, but rarely my - (imo) - good plays. Maybe because they are a bit rare.

But now & then, I get to dance good, like a Mini-Flushy. I try the Omaha "Bare Ace" trick time after time, but I've given up, it never works for me.

Playing 5 Card High Omaha last night, 3 handed, this flop occurred.

   

I was holding.....

 

I checked first to speak. Richard Berridge made it £30. Nick "Redbull" Hicks re-popped it to £75.

I moved in for about £180.

Can/should either of them Call here?

It's not relevant if they did or not, but I just think it's impossible to call, especially given my tight image & weakness when the cash has to go in. I only tried it because I knew Richard & Nick both know the game very well - it would be super-scary against numptys.

I'll try it on Flushy next. Easy.

[tikay]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

I never knew that. But surely it's a moody to act out of turn, note the "subsequent prior" (!) action, then take my bet back because I don't like the lie of the land now?

[77dave]

assuming there was 30 in the pot when the 1st bet is made. Nick is now faced with calling 105 into a pot of 315. He knows you havent got the Royal as you would of just flat called not jammed. So even if they put you on the nut flush at least 1 of them should be calling you here.

If you have the Jack what are they betting/raising with one of them should have a set here and now has to call the 105 raise

[77dave]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

I never knew that. But surely it's a moody to act out of turn, note the "subsequent prior" (!) action, then take my bet back because I don't like the lie of the land now?

not a moody at all. action has changed in front of you so you have the chance to change your action. this is why he should flat call the 400 then your raise has to stand as action wouldnt of changed

[Karabiner]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

Assuming that the guy had just flat called meaning that Tony's raise to 3k then stood, would he then be permitted to re-raise if everyone else folded ?

And if he did would it be considered unethical ?

[tikay]

assuming there was 30 in the pot when the 1st bet is made. Nick is now faced with calling 105 into a pot of 315. He knows you havent got the Royal as you would of just flat called not jammed. So even if they put you on the nut flush at least 1 of them should be calling you here.

If you have the Jack what are they betting/raising with one of them should have a set here and now has to call the 105 raise

Richard plays very "open", & in fact had a bad flush.

Nick (a terrific cash-player) probably knew Richard had nothing, or not much, I believe. He may have been moving on Richard, & had excluded me from his thinking. I think Nick DID have the Flush, but convinced himself I had the nut flush. Because I'm so damn good, perhaps?

[tikay]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

I never knew that. But surely it's a moody to act out of turn, note the "subsequent prior" (!) action, then take my bet back because I don't like the lie of the land now?

not a moody at all. action has changed in front of you so you have the chance to change your action. this is why he should flat call the 400 then your raise has to stand as action wouldnt of changed

NO, the action had not "changed" as such, the guy had yet to Act. That's not his fault.

[77dave]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

Assuming that the guy had just flat called meaning that Tony's raise to 3k then stood, would he then be permitted to re-raise if everyone else folded ?

And if he did would it be considered unethical ?

Tikay is allin  so what is he going to reraise?

[tikay]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

Assuming that the guy had just flat called meaning that Tony's raise to 3k then stood, would he then be permitted to re-raise if everyone else folded ?

And if he did would it be considered unethical ?

I was All-in Ralph, & the Guy was to my immediate right, so that scenario was not applicable.

I am, though, quite interested in the ethics/etiquette of the whole palaver. To me, it's simple. I made a balls up, & have to accept it. I don't know the Poker Rule here, but it just feels right to me.

To be honest, if Id known or realised I COULD have retracted my entire 3k, within the Rules, & etiquettely (?!), I probably would have been very tempted so to do.

[tikay]

Good on you for doing the Honorable (im american now) thing in keeping your 3k in chips in the pot but i have to say that the guy with the ACES has played this really bad.

Why has he raised to 1200? he gives you the option of taking your 3k back. You have made a mistake acting out of turn in front of him so he should take advantage of your mistake. He should flat call the 400 then you have to leave your 3k in. If someone else decides to call or raise you he is able to reraise himself with the aces.

Assuming that the guy had just flat called meaning that Tony's raise to 3k then stood, would he then be permitted to re-raise if everyone else folded ?

And if he did would it be considered unethical ?

I was All-in Ralph, & the Guy was to my immediate right, so that scenario was not applicable.

I am, though, quite interested in the ethics/etiquette of the whole palaver. To me, it's simple. I made a balls up, & have to accept it. I don't know the Poker Rule here, but it just feels right to me.

To be honest, if Id known or realised I COULD have retracted my entire 3k, within the Rules, & etiquettely (?!), I probably would have been very tempted so to do.

...because, via the improper sequence of events, I now KNOW my hand is bad.