Are Double Chance Freezeouts better?

[kinboshi]

Every Tuesday night around 130 people turn out to the cardrooms in Stoke to play either a straight £20 F/O at the circus or a £20 double chance F/O at the grosvenor.

Both have a chip allocation of 8k. Grosv's does 4+4 or 8 and the circus does straight 8k.

So if you like low budget F/O's head to stoke.

I've played at Stoke a few times on the Tuesday night.  Now Coventry is offering a £30 double-chance freezeout on the same night.  Stoke's is dealer-dealt, and so has the edge for me, even though Coventry is nearer for me.

[tikay]

Every Tuesday night around 130 people turn out to the cardrooms in Stoke to play either a straight £20 F/O at the circus or a £20 double chance F/O at the grosvenor.

Both have a chip allocation of 8k. Grosv's does 4+4 or 8 and the circus does straight 8k.

So if you like low budget F/O's head to stoke.

Fair play to you - but it's the same right across the UK, I see £10 & £20 Freezeouts everywhere I go, the cardrooms are heaving, these are incredibly popular. As it happens, I've been fortunate in life & can play at bigger levels, but I'm just curious why anyone would wish these players to be denied their opportunity to play "proper" poker. (Because Freezeouts cannot possibly be compared to £10 rebuy-Fests). If £10 or £20 is your spend limit as a recreational player, a rebuy is a complete non-starter. I'd wager that more folks play these £10 & £20 freezes - night after night across the country you can find them - than any other buy-in level. Take the argument to Online play, & it's part of the reason why Sky Poker has been such an astonishing success (I refer to the Cardroom), because they have catered for the lower buy-in players. Of which there are hundreds of thousands.

Meanwhile, & sadly, I hear that the £100 Freeze at Stanley Circus Notts failed to start tonight, as not enough players turned up. Come on Jim, get onto blonde & start promoting your Tourneys! It's free.....!

[Ironside]

i am also a fan if your going to make it a Double chance making it so that you cannot get your 2nd chance untill after you have lost atleast 50% of your starting stack

[portfolio]

Every Tuesday night around 130 people turn out to the cardrooms in Stoke to play either a straight £20 F/O at the circus or a £20 double chance F/O at the grosvenor.

Both have a chip allocation of 8k. Grosv's does 4+4 or 8 and the circus does straight 8k.

So if you like low budget F/O's head to stoke.

Fair play to you - but it's the same right across the UK, I see £10 & £20 Freezeouts everywhere I go, the cardrooms are heaving, these are incredibly popular. As it happens, I've been fortunate in life & can play at bigger levels, but I'm just curious why anyone would wish these players to be denied their opportunity to play "proper" poker. (Because Freezeouts cannot possibly be compared to £10 rebuy-Fests). If £10 or £20 is your spend limit as a recreational player, a rebuy is a complete non-starter. I'd wager that more folks play these £10 & £20 freezes - night after night across the country you can find them - than any other buy-in level. Take the argument to Online play, & it's part of the reason why Sky Poker has been such an astonishing success (I refer to the Cardroom), because they have catered for the lower buy-in players. Of which there are hundreds of thousands.

Meanwhile, & sadly, I hear that the £100 Freeze at Stanley Circus Notts failed to start tonight, as not enough players turned up. Come on Jim, get onto blonde & start promoting your Tourneys! It's free.....!

whoa    fella.

i certainly did not suggest  that there should be   a min £100  buy in for freezouts,   merely that the upper range is not adequately catered for immo.

there are a plethora of low buy in freezes about, and those that like em  fill there boots!!!

however,a 120 runner £15    freezoout with3/4k chips and 20 min blinds  just does not float my boat       never has  i guess.


i will/do often travel further afield for decent  larger freezouts.

each to their own,as with all things pokerish.

[tikay]

Every Tuesday night around 130 people turn out to the cardrooms in Stoke to play either a straight £20 F/O at the circus or a £20 double chance F/O at the grosvenor.

Both have a chip allocation of 8k. Grosv's does 4+4 or 8 and the circus does straight 8k.

So if you like low budget F/O's head to stoke.

Fair play to you - but it's the same right across the UK, I see £10 & £20 Freezeouts everywhere I go, the cardrooms are heaving, these are incredibly popular. As it happens, I've been fortunate in life & can play at bigger levels, but I'm just curious why anyone would wish these players to be denied their opportunity to play "proper" poker. (Because Freezeouts cannot possibly be compared to £10 rebuy-Fests). If £10 or £20 is your spend limit as a recreational player, a rebuy is a complete non-starter. I'd wager that more folks play these £10 & £20 freezes - night after night across the country you can find them - than any other buy-in level. Take the argument to Online play, & it's part of the reason why Sky Poker has been such an astonishing success (I refer to the Cardroom), because they have catered for the lower buy-in players. Of which there are hundreds of thousands.

Meanwhile, & sadly, I hear that the £100 Freeze at Stanley Circus Notts failed to start tonight, as not enough players turned up. Come on Jim, get onto blonde & start promoting your Tourneys! It's free.....!

whoa    fella.

i certainly did not suggest  that there should be   a min £100  buy in for freezouts,   merely that the upper range is not adequately catered for immo.

there are a plethora of low buy in freezes about, and those that like em  fill there boots!!!

however,a 120 runner £15    freezoout with3/4k chips and 20 min blinds  just does not float my boat       never has  i guess.


i will/do often travel further afield for decent  larger freezouts.

each to their own,as with all things pokerish.

Well I must have misread either this......

any freeze  should be a minimum    £100  buy in   imo.

Or this.....

i certainly did not suggest  that there should be   a min £100  buy in for freezouts,

 

[portfolio]

imo     seems clear to me.
never mind.

[FlyingPig]

There is a lack of Low freezouts as there is never mind people suggesting to get rid of them... Everywhere i see and there are 3 casinos in liverpool only offer re-buys, and for the less fortunate of us with a smaller poker budget you cant compete most of the time with people who are happy to chuck tenner after tenner to collect chips, £100 freezeouts are only going to lessen the amount people play.

Saying that, why they dont have more tounrnaments that start a bit earlier on school nights i never know... Maybe im talking locally, but it annoys the a*** off me.

I wish the casino's in Liverpool would take note and offer freezeouts.... I hate playing in the rebuys because it reduces the skill in the game when someone has a wedge and just keeps re-buying..... I have a limited budget and would like a £30 F/O...

Rebuys are great for people who have a wedge of money just keep going all in and then they will get lucky, all of a sudden they have a big stack and think they are the dogs b*ll*cks.....I know you get a chance to get a big stack, and they have good value, but, Freezeouts and DC F/O's are great for me....

[kinboshi]

i am also a fan if your going to make it a Double chance making it so that you cannot get your 2nd chance untill after you have lost atleast 50% of your starting stack

That makes more sense - it makes the double-chance element more 'real'.

[Lordandmaster]

i am also a fan if your going to make it a Double chance making it so that you cannot get your 2nd chance untill after you have lost atleast 50% of your starting stack

That makes more sense - it makes the double-chance element more 'real'.

Now that is how I would like to see the D/C F/O's run but it seems that from somewhere people have got it that D/C allows you to take your chips when you want. If any TD for Grosvenor looks into the manual for a definition of a D/C it says they cannot take their second allocation of chips until they have 50% or less.

I know manuals get old and not updated but the definition of a D/C is lost by allowing players to take their chips when they want to IMO.

[Ironside]

some places allow the 2nd chance to be taken at any time due to the TDs not wanting to do the extra work and the arguements that occur with the regulars who want all there chips at the start

[bobby1]

I like em both

[Karabiner]

i am also a fan if your going to make it a Double chance making it so that you cannot get your 2nd chance untill after you have lost atleast 50% of your starting stack

Why ?

[Ironside]

i am also a fan if your going to make it a Double chance making it so that you cannot get your 2nd chance untill after you have lost atleast 50% of your starting stack

Why ?

because otherwise you might aswell just make it a freezeout

oh i prefer it as a freezeout

[Lordandmaster]

I have to admit ironside that the first £100 D/C F/O i did as I started explaining the rules of when you can take your 2nd allocation of chips and everyone started kicking off saying " No you can take them whenever you want to" I thought that i had missed a change in the rules somewhere and thought it best to go along with them. After some digging around I couldn't find a change to the way the second allocation should be taken so if I should run anymore D/C games it will be prominently in the rules of the game that you can't take your second allocation until you have 50% or less.

I don't believe that it is a hard n fast rule but the idea comes from the guidline 3 rule of when you can re-buy in a comp i would imagine.

[RoyCropper]

I dislike `double chance' tournaments with a passion. I am also very surprised with comments regarding `gambling' with the initial chips and then topping
up if it goes pear-shaped. This is surely a big tactical error. By only taking the smaller allocation of chips you are rarely deep enough or have the `implied' odds to
be splashing about early. However, if everyone took the full chip allocation then it is most often justified to mess about with a % of your stack. These double chance events
are generally in the £300-£500 range and are simply in place to help the bad players. They also do not give players the experience of deep stacked `proper' poker that they will be forced to play if they move up to
the £1k-£5k range.