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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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has the three press releases in full
the Season two schedule in full will be released after the Luton event
the Sat on Monday night is to the Luton event on Bank Holiday Weekend
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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Quote from: DesD on August 04, 2007, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: dik9 on August 04, 2007, 11:06:13 AM
are you saying that you haven't got any affiliation deal?
That is correct. There is absolutely no affiliation deal between Blue Square and APAT. Rank, through Blue Square and Grosvenor have put their money up and committed to sponsoring APAT throughout Season Two. I applaud them for that. And I hope they do tremendously well from the deal. As a result, APAT members will be able to play several tournaments at Grosvenor's finest venues free of charge throughout next year. They will do so to APAT rules and with sensible structures and with added value prize pools.
What a great time to be a recreational poker player.
And can I add that Dusk Till Dawn were similarly generous in their negotiations with APAT, and they to have waived player registration fees for APAT events, and will effectively run them at a loss.
Rank is a multi billion pound company and the people over there, and the likes of Simon Trumper and team are nobody's fools. The appreciate that if they incentivise APAT members into their venues, then longer term they will recoup their investments through player acquisition, increased loyalty and added publicity. And APAT has been smart enough to negotiate superb player focussed deals with these businesses.
Now here is the thing. What could APAT achieve for players as a whole, if players joined APAT en bloc? The answer, within reason - almost anything. APAT is a conduit to pull the players together and negotiate with the casinos in a professonal and reasonable way. We have something to offer them, and they have something to offer us also. I laid this vision out twelve months ago and to be fair one or two 'friends of APAT' laughed us out of court. Well, one year on, APAT are proven do'ers and our members are benefiting. To jump on the bandwagon I would suggest everyone joins up and lets see what we can achieve together for Season Three.
But the questioning of motives etc, is redundant now. We know what we are doing. Trust us, join us and the industry will become much more player focussed.
A big well done to the sponsors of season 2, especially DTD.
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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August 04, 2007, 07:46:13 PM »
Quote from: Bainn on August 04, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: DesD on August 04, 2007, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: dik9 on August 04, 2007, 11:06:13 AM
are you saying that you haven't got any affiliation deal?
That is correct. There is absolutely no affiliation deal between Blue Square and APAT. Rank, through Blue Square and Grosvenor have put their money up and committed to sponsoring APAT throughout Season Two. I applaud them for that. And I hope they do tremendously well from the deal. As a result, APAT members will be able to play several tournaments at Grosvenor's finest venues free of charge throughout next year. They will do so to APAT rules and with sensible structures and with added value prize pools.
What a great time to be a recreational poker player.
And can I add that Dusk Till Dawn were similarly generous in their negotiations with APAT, and they to have waived player registration fees for APAT events, and will effectively run them at a loss.
Rank is a multi billion pound company and the people over there, and the likes of Simon Trumper and team are nobody's fools. The appreciate that if they incentivise APAT members into their venues, then longer term they will recoup their investments through player acquisition, increased loyalty and added publicity. And APAT has been smart enough to negotiate superb player focussed deals with these businesses.
Now here is the thing. What could APAT achieve for players as a whole, if players joined APAT en bloc? The answer, within reason - almost anything. APAT is a conduit to pull the players together and negotiate with the casinos in a professonal and reasonable way. We have something to offer them, and they have something to offer us also. I laid this vision out twelve months ago and to be fair one or two 'friends of APAT' laughed us out of court. Well, one year on, APAT are proven do'ers and our members are benefiting. To jump on the bandwagon I would suggest everyone joins up and lets see what we can achieve together for Season Three.
But the questioning of motives etc, is redundant now. We know what we are doing. Trust us, join us and the industry will become much more player focussed.
A big well done to the sponsors of season 2, especially DTD.
DTD are not a sponsor as such, although they will Host the Event at a loss, & absorb the Reg Fees, for which we thank them. Blue Square are the Sponsor for all Season Two Events, & it is from them the Added money comes, all of which we pass on, & as noted earlier, we don't have any affiliate Deal with them.
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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The reason i didnt join the APAT last year is because i wanted to see exactly what the association did for the amateur player - after all it was the Amateur Poker Association & Tour. Yes i agree that the events both online and live have been a success and the majority of the current members are quite happy to pay a membership fee for those events alone - but then the APT would be a more appropriate name. What steps have the Assocation taken to ensure that the Amateur player gets a better deal when it comes to playing poker in the UK? Having your own rules for your own tour is all well and good - but what good does that do the amateur player outside of the APAT?
On your site you state:
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Membership Levels
APAT membership will be granted as follows:-
* Association Membership - free
An Association Member will be eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots and play in APAT Online Series events.
* Tour Membership - £10 per annum
A Tour Member will be eligible to eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots, play in APAT Online Series events and enter APAT live tournaments.
* Organisational Membership
An Organisational Member will be able to allocate free Tour Membership to individuals within their organisation. Organisational membership will free to organisations and individuals who promote APAT through their websites and blogs.
* Professional Membership
A Professional Member will be eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots and play in the APAT Masters and any additional Pro-Am event that APAT promotes.
One line appears universal in all the above statements "A xxx member will be eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots" - what ballots on what subjects? How is the association going to improve poker for the amateur player in the UK?
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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Quote from: TightEnd on August 04, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
www.apat.com/forum
has the three press releases in full
the Season two schedule in full will be released after the Luton event
the Sat on Monday night is to the Luton event on Bank Holiday Weekend
Thanks
Still confusing though. Luton is part of Season one, I think, but Blue Square is involved. No bad thing, but confusing. Also need to find out how the points system operates. Lots of info needed but not readily available.
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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Quote from: Robert HM on August 04, 2007, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on August 04, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
www.apat.com/forum
has the three press releases in full
the Season two schedule in full will be released after the Luton event
the Sat on Monday night is to the Luton event on Bank Holiday Weekend
Thanks
Still confusing though. Luton is part of Season one, I think, but Blue Square is involved. No bad thing, but confusing. Also need to find out how the points system operates. Lots of info needed but not readily available.
We agree Robert, is is all a bit of a mouthful in one go. We decided to release everything in one lump. & face the consequences, if we had not, the subsequent questions would have been even harder to answer. Yes, Luton is end of Season One, but our Season Two Sponsor is on Board, & all in all, it seemed the best solution, in most ways. We've all had a busy day answering questions all over the place, & PM's galore, (some of them, to me, quite abusive!), & that's partly because there is so much info to digest. But we've told all, & it should becomer more transparent as it unfolds. It IS a very big & complex deal, it must be said, & it was only ratified this week, so it's been a bit harem-scarem in truth, getting the info out in a digestible form.
My respect to Des & Tighty for all the work they've done on this is immense.
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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August 04, 2007, 08:48:33 PM »
Quote from: tikay on August 04, 2007, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: Robert HM on August 04, 2007, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on August 04, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
www.apat.com/forum
has the three press releases in full
the Season two schedule in full will be released after the Luton event
the Sat on Monday night is to the Luton event on Bank Holiday Weekend
Thanks
Still confusing though. Luton is part of Season one, I think, but Blue Square is involved. No bad thing, but confusing. Also need to find out how the points system operates. Lots of info needed but not readily available.
We agree Robert, is is all a bit of a mouthful in one go. We decided to release everything in one lump. & face the consequences, if we had not, the subsequent questions would have been even harder to answer. Yes, Luton is end of Season One, but our Season Two Sponsor is on Board, & all in all, it seemed the best solution, in most ways. We've all had a busy day answering questions all over the place, & PM's galore, (some of them, to me, quite abusive!), & that's partly because there is so much info to digest. But we've told all, & it should becomer more transparent as it unfolds. It IS a very big & complex deal, it must be said, & it was only ratified this week, so it's been a bit harem-scarem in truth, getting the info out in a digestible form.
My respect to Des & Tighty for all the work they've done on this is immense.
Well done indeed.
Please don't think I was criticising in any way, by wanting to get involved must indicate otherwise. Just need a bit of spoon feeding required here.
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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August 04, 2007, 08:55:20 PM »
Quote from: matt674 on August 04, 2007, 07:46:45 PM
The reason i didnt join the APAT last year is because i wanted to see exactly what the association did for the amateur player - after all it was the Amateur Poker Association & Tour. Yes i agree that the events both online and live have been a success and the majority of the current members are quite happy to pay a membership fee for those events alone - but then the APT would be a more appropriate name. What steps have the Assocation taken to ensure that the Amateur player gets a better deal when it comes to playing poker in the UK? Having your own rules for your own tour is all well and good - but what good does that do the amateur player outside of the APAT?
On your site you state:
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Membership Levels
APAT membership will be granted as follows:-
* Association Membership - free
An Association Member will be eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots and play in APAT Online Series events.
* Tour Membership - £10 per annum
A Tour Member will be eligible to eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots, play in APAT Online Series events and enter APAT live tournaments.
* Organisational Membership
An Organisational Member will be able to allocate free Tour Membership to individuals within their organisation. Organisational membership will free to organisations and individuals who promote APAT through their websites and blogs.
* Professional Membership
A Professional Member will be eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots and play in the APAT Masters and any additional Pro-Am event that APAT promotes.
One line appears universal in all the above statements "A xxx member will be eligible to vote in Amateur Poker Association ballots" - what ballots on what subjects? How is the association going to improve poker for the amateur player in the UK?
The benefits that APAT members receive on the Tour is as a direct result of APA negotiations. First and foremost, poker players want to physically play the game in the right conditions and with appropriate rewards and APAT has delivered a richer experience for our members within their events.
This stage of APAT's development has to be about focussing on the needs of APAT members and building a strong user base and tour, that is of value to the Casinos. APAT has done this in Season One.
In Season Two we will get closer to the key players in the industry. As the key players identify the success of a primarily customer focussed strategy, visible within the APAT tour, then they will be a lot more agreeable to change. Please don't forget that this is a very traditional market and change does not occur easily. We are dealing with commercial giants with committments to share holders etc.
So at the moment, APAT is building those foundations and relationships to enable positive and reasonable change to occur outside of our own series for the benefit of players. This is evident from our recent press releases. It is not rocket science, it is not a quick solution, but I do believe it offers players the best chance of gaining a voice within the industry.
Ballots?
At the end of Season One, the membership will vote in 3 APA representatives and a Chairman. Those individuals will be charged with highighting areas of member concern througout the game, on behalf of all members, and APAT will draw up policy around the stated needs of our members. It is safe to assume that some matters will divide the membership. In those situations, each member would get a single vote to approve or reject as policy.
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Quote from: DesD on August 04, 2007, 08:55:20 PM
The benefits that APAT members receive on the Tour is as a direct result of APA negotiations. First and foremost, poker players want to physically play the game in the right conditions and with appropriate rewards and APAT has delivered a richer experience for our members within their events.
but what if the APAT is not keeping up with what players needed thats why we need the APA working
for over 4 years now i have be badgering cardrooms to give more notice of events so that people who travel/work can plan in advance and not spend so much on travel
this season i expected that notice wasnt going to be great due to the newness of the adventure but in the most part we got 4-5 weeks notice from when we got our seat to when we had to travel
you have said elsewhere that next season we will be getting 3.5 weeks, now if the APAT who are lobbing on our behalf are accepting this as a long term soloution cardrooms can now come back and say well if its good enough for the APA then its good enough for us
what is the APA going to do with regard to this IMHO major problem for season 3?
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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August 04, 2007, 09:14:44 PM »
Quote from: Ironside on August 04, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: DesD on August 04, 2007, 08:55:20 PM
The benefits that APAT members receive on the Tour is as a direct result of APA negotiations. First and foremost, poker players want to physically play the game in the right conditions and with appropriate rewards and APAT has delivered a richer experience for our members within their events.
but what if the APAT is not keeping up with what players needed thats why we need the APA working
for over 4 years now i have be badgering cardrooms to give more notice of events so that people who travel/work can plan in advance and not spend so much on travel
this season i expected that notice wasnt going to be great due to the newness of the adventure but in the most part we got 4-5 weeks notice from when we got our seat to when we had to travel
you have said elsewhere that next season we will be getting 3.5 weeks, now if the APAT who are lobbing on our behalf are accepting this as a long term soloution cardrooms can now come back and say well if its good enough for the APA then its good enough for us
what is the APA going to do with regard to this IMHO major problem for season 3?
We don't anticipate the problem will exist in Season Three. We are building a big thng here, & it takes a little time to get all the detail "just so".
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Re: APAT Season Two Sponsorship
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Quote from: jjandellis on August 04, 2007, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: Ironside on August 04, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: DesD on August 04, 2007, 08:55:20 PM
The benefits that APAT members receive on the Tour is as a direct result of APA negotiations. First and foremost, poker players want to physically play the game in the right conditions and with appropriate rewards and APAT has delivered a richer experience for our members within their events.
but what if the APAT is not keeping up with what players needed thats why we need the APA working
for over 4 years now i have be badgering cardrooms to give more notice of events so that people who travel/work can plan in advance and not spend so much on travel
this season i expected that notice wasnt going to be great due to the newness of the adventure but in the most part we got 4-5 weeks notice from when we got our seat to when we had to travel
you have said elsewhere that next season we will be getting 3.5 weeks, now if the APAT who are lobbing on our behalf are accepting this as a long term soloution cardrooms can now come back and say well if its good enough for the APA then its good enough for us
what is the APA going to do with regard to this IMHO major problem for season 3?
Before I post my main post, I'll add my 2 penneth to this....
One think that APAT could do/is now in a position to do, through its association with Rank, is offer members special offers on hotel accomodation...
Is this being followed up? (I seem to remember you saying something to me about this Des)
We are certainly looking at this area for Season Two. Not sure exactly how Rank factors into this area though.
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Quote from: jjandellis on August 04, 2007, 10:00:39 PM
The new set up for season 2 appears to put me at a slight disadvantage for qualifying...but hey thats my problem for living abroad and you cannot please everybody. But on the whole everything looks rosey for apat.
Des, Rich and Tikay should be judged on their results for season one for now.
In less than a year they have:
1. Put together an extremely well structured tour for amatuer players. Every player I speak to speaks v highly of the structure, spirit and organisation of these events. I was one of the lucky few to win an EPT seat; I have gone on record as saying that I felt the APAT was the better event.
2. Given the members a forum to discuss current issues effecting the poker world.
3. Put together a sponsorship deal with the biggest name in online poker from which the members have all benefited.
All in less than a year.
Now they are at the back end of that year and things slowed down. With some organisations/personalities you may be forgiven for thinking that interest was waning, that they had lost heart. Not Des and the team. The big delay is because they were using all their connections and business savvy to broker what they see as the best deal for APAT.
What a great package.
Lets face it, this is probably one of the first (only?) things that Grosvenor & DTD are seeing eye to eye on.
Grosvenor/Blue square will get to benefit from the increased numbers of players...but at the same time APAT membership will grow and amatuer players will have a greater say. How many waifs and strays have been going down to Grosvenors for years bemoaning the poor structures??? Well now they can join APAT and make their feelings known!
The APAT voice will be useful in other ways too. Pub poker is taking off in a big way. Alot of the action is going to be unregulated. Although the game in the UK will grow massively, I feel that poker in the UK is in for a bumpy ride. The anti gambling lobby is bound to cause the poker world some problems. APAT is helping to draw players together, tighten things up and give us one voice.
The new deal gives amatuer players the best natural progression. Rather than winning a tournament and being thrust into a big international event, players will now get to play a British tournament full of British pro's. The pro-am events will also give the apat members with bigger bankrolls the experience they may be lacking prior to directly buying into the GUKPT. All invaluable experience.
As a final note, you only have to speak to Des, Tighty and Tikay to see where this is going (or not realise quite where its going as maybe the case). Not only do the guys have shrewd business minds/connections, more importantly they are passionate about the whole thing. Its Des' HOBBY for gods sake!!!! It certainly ain't a cash cow...
We've seen the results so far; we have an announcement of stellar proportions. Lets back them all the way and see where they take us, because if season 1 was good I think season 2 will be better and season 3, well...
Great post.
It seems there are some very ungrateful people replying on here, with a me me me attitude. I haven't plyed any events guys but they look great, very well done on the 'deals' and a big thank you for for providing fee free poker.
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Just been showing my footies skills to the new sponsors today at Goodwood. Nearly scored, but don't think Sven will be calling me just yet.
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Quote from: b4matt on August 04, 2007, 10:32:30 PM
It seems there are some very ungrateful people replying on here, with a me me me attitude. I haven't plyed any events guys but they look great, very well done on the 'deals' and a big thank you for for providing fee free poker.
as one of those that sound ungreatfull let me first clear up i have congratulated the apat team on the apat forum on achieving a great deal i have also pointed out that i am one of those sick individuals that will more than likely spend around £200 (travel hotel and food) to play in the regionals where i would be lucky to break even without finishing in the top 2 every event but not everyone is as sick as me
as a member of the APA i was hoping the assoc would take up my bug bear with cardrooms not giving enough notice for amateurs to make plans in a timely and costly fashion, in season 1 they attepmted to do so, in season 2 they have been unable too as an APA member i wish to emphasise how important it is that its not neglected in future so that other people in my postion (who arent as sick) can enjoy the benifits of the APAT and other events around the UK
remember the APA and athe APAT are 2 different things
i am sorry if i sound ungreatfull but as a member i geel i have the right to express my views as long as its done in a civil manner
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Quote from: Ironside on August 04, 2007, 10:46:05 PM
Quote from: b4matt on August 04, 2007, 10:32:30 PM
It seems there are some very ungrateful people replying on here, with a me me me attitude. I haven't plyed any events guys but they look great, very well done on the 'deals' and a big thank you for for providing fee free poker.
as one of those that sound ungreatfull let me first clear up i have congratulated the apat team on the apat forum on achieving a great deal i have also pointed out that i am one of those sick individuals that will more than likely spend around £200 (travel hotel and food) to play in the regionals where i would be lucky to break even without finishing in the top 2 every event but not everyone is as sick as me
as a member of the APA i was hoping the assoc would take up my bug bear with cardrooms not giving enough notice for amateurs to make plans in a timely and costly fashion, in season 1 they attepmted to do so, in season 2 they have been unable too as an APA member i wish to emphasise how important it is that its not neglected in future so that other people in my postion (who arent as sick) can enjoy the benifits of the APAT and other events around the UK
remember the APA and athe APAT are 2 different things
i am sorry if i sound ungreatfull but as a member i geel i have the right to express my views as long as its done in a civil manner
As I said in our 10-string PM exchange this afternoon Iron, we are very aware of your concerns, & we hope to improve the lead times as soon as we can.
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