APAT Season Two Sponsorship

[Ironside]

yes tikay i know just point out that i might seem ungreatfull  as quoted but i am greatfull for whats been achieved just expressing my views on what could improve it

[Delboy]

Please clear something up for me:

7pm wednesday - what are my payment options? do you still only use PayPal or are there other methods?

[TightEnd]

Please clear something up for me:

7pm wednesday - what are my payment options? do you still only use PayPal or are there other methods?

for some time now credit and debit cards have been accepted

[Ironside]

Please clear something up for me:

7pm wednesday - what are my payment options? do you still only use PayPal or are there other methods?

del as far as i am aware they cant use paypal for tourny buy ins (paypal rules) they have a credit card providor that accepts most major credit and debit cards

[DesD]

yes tikay i know just point out that i might seem ungreatfull  as quoted but i am greatfull for whats been achieved just expressing my views on what could improve it

Iron, to be clear on this, I would never ever categorise you as being ungrateful. Never.

[Delboy]

Please clear something up for me:

7pm wednesday - what are my payment options? do you still only use PayPal or are there other methods?

for some time now credit and debit cards have been accepted

Excellent news thank you

[Jon MW]

It seems there are some very ungrateful people replying on here, with a me me me attitude. I haven't plyed any events guys but they look great, very well done on the 'deals' and a big thank you for for providing fee free poker.

as one of those that sound ungreatfull let me first clear up i have congratulated the apat team on the apat forum on achieving a great deal i have also pointed out that i am one of those sick individuals that will more than likely spend around £200 (travel hotel and food) to play in the regionals where i would be lucky to break even without finishing in the top 2 every event but not everyone is as sick as me

as a member of the APA i was hoping the assoc would take up my bug bear with cardrooms not giving enough notice for amateurs to make plans in a timely and costly fashion, in season 1 they attepmted to do so, in season 2 they have been unable too as an APA member i wish to emphasise how important it is that its not neglected in future so that other people in my postion (who arent as sick) can enjoy the benifits of the APAT and other events around the UK
remember the APA and athe APAT are 2 different things

i am sorry if i sound ungreatfull but as a member i geel i have the right to express my views as long as its done in a civil manner

Agreed, it's a shame if any of APAt ever feel like they're efforts aren't appreciated (because they are ) but I think that at least 90% of any criticism has been constructive.

Also if we didn't keep   ;m3boy;  they might get complacent

[ifm]

There is a running theme in all of the apat threads and that is if you do question something or point out something not quite right you are labelled ungrateful or as someone knocking apat.
This i find sad, get off the defensive FFS!!

[technolog]

Apologies if I'm wrong but I don't think any of the APAT team have said anyone is ungrateful - the opposite if anything.

The fact is when you're trying to organise an event, association, tour or whatever that involves several thousand people covering the whole of the British Isles (and beyond) - not everyone is going to be happy - not everyone can be happy. All APAT can do is try to please as many people as possible - so long as they listen to feedback (such as Iron's) and if possible act on it or at least exercise their collective minds trying, then I don't think we can ask anymore.

I think APAT will go from strength to strength. Sometimes there may be backward steps but over several seasons and several iterations hopefully they'll arrive at a solution that pleases the most people possible.

I've been introduced to live casino poker by APAT which I thoroughly enjoy and have also had some tremendous weekends away meeting up with like-minded people. I am right behind them - or had you already guessed that?!

I don't blame people for putting forward grievances - if they don't then APAT can't move forward and improve - so long as everyone realises not everyone can be happy with everything.

[DesD]

Apologies if I'm wrong but I don't think any of the APAT team have said anyone is ungrateful - the opposite if anything.

Quite right.

[b4matt]

Ironside i can assure you i did not mean you.

I obviously don't speak for APAT, my comment's where out of frustration at the 1 or 2 same people who have to swipe at and knock the very people who are trying to help them. It must take so much time and effort to do what APAT have done and then be very demoralising to read some of the comments. The whole APAT effort has great parallells to blonde forum, another place where i continue to get far more from than i give. I wish APAT and all the team great success, and Ty.

[ifm]

Can someone please answer Matts questions?
I think they are relevant
I'd like to see an annual report as to the comings and goings, can it not be implemented that all organisations adhere to the same rules as charities on here?
Lets be transparent eh?

[TightEnd]

APL is a Limited Company. Under Company Law it of course has to produce Annual accounts, which are readily avaialable (or will be within the statutory timeframe) via Companies House


Transparency?

Well to be frank its not an issue as far as I can see for either the organisation or its officers personally who answer everything very openly on whatever thread/forum they are asked.

This inclueded Des' answer, reproduced below to Matt's question

The benefits that APAT members receive on the Tour is as a direct result of APA negotiations.  First and foremost,  poker players want to physically play the game in the right conditions and with appropriate rewards and APAT has delivered a richer experience for our members within their events. 

This stage of APAT's development has to be about focussing on the needs of APAT members and building a strong user base and tour, that is of value to the Casinos.  APAT has done this in Season One.

In Season Two we will get closer to the key players in the industry.  As the key players identify the success of a primarily customer focussed strategy, visible within the APAT tour, then they will be a lot more agreeable to change.  Please don't forget that this is a very traditional market and change does not occur easily.  We are dealing with commercial giants with committments to share holders etc. 

So at the moment, APAT is building those foundations and relationships to enable positive and reasonable change to occur outside of our own series for the benefit of players.  This is evident from our recent press releases.  It is not rocket science, it is not a quick solution, but I do believe it offers players the best chance of gaining a voice within the industry.

Ballots?

At the end of Season One, the membership will vote in 3 APA representatives and a Chairman.  Those individuals will be charged with highighting areas of member concern througout the game, on behalf of all members, and APAT will draw up policy around the stated needs of our members.  It is safe to assume that some matters will divide the membership.  In those situations, each member would get a single vote to approve or reject as policy.

[FlyingPig]

People aren't being labelled as ungrateful, this is how things improve via constructive criticism. For season 2 certain things that members brought to light have been addressed, one of these being regional qualifiers for the main events.

As for seeing an annual report of the comings and goings, why would this be relative, although I guess they will be available as all companies are available within certain restrictions? Members of the APAT pay a fee to join, we know that money is going to the APAT coffers, but we also know that any entrance fee to the live tourneys is all paid out in prize money. Also, the team who run the show should take expenses, becasue its them who give up their free time to put on these first class events for us, and the place for the money to come from will be our membership fee...

BTW  I wonder how Tikay, Tighty, and Dessies villa's in marbella are coming on....Must ask....

[TightEnd]

BTW  I wonder how Tikay, Tighty, and Dessies villa's in marbella are coming on....Must ask....

Mine is being built in sight of Puerto Banus Harbour


For once and for all, I am happy to state I have never drawn a wage from APAT, have only claimed travel expenses for two events but had a hotel room provided for me at each and am a modest shareholder in the parent company

thats it.