cant wait to go.,.,.,.,

[sofa----king]

this country really is losing it,.,.,.,.,.,.
as a few of you know me and my little familly are off to sunny climate to live in CYPRUS.,.,.
this weekend was one of the last weekends that i got to get,.,sharkyshades to work before i sell it.,.,,any offers??

destination admiral big weekend cardiff.,., (3 day event) free music event  in the country.,and europes biggest travelling funfair (MASSIVE).,,.,.,.
it all started friday 12am.,,arrive at 8am and get given a good spot.,.everyone wanting to know what my unit was all about and praising it up to the best they have ever seen,.,.,.nice,.
we were open from 12am off we go the weather wasnt that hot but the sun was out.,.we fiddled through the day and takings was upto £1,200 by 5pm then it really started off thousands upon thousans of people going crazy for booze,music and rides,.,.,.it started to get a bit wild with a lot of gangs runnng about of about 50-70.,handed
i decided it would be easier to pack up and close sharky for the day as if these kids woulda started messing around.,.,not even i coulda stopped them with a few whacks.,.,.lol..,,.,.,.i hung around from 8.30pm to 11pm then drove the home ready for the earlier start on saturday morning.,.,.,.

arrived saturday around 7sh to be given one of the best pitches on the site,.,.,
set up for 12 and off we go sun not out but doing ok considering weather.,.,doing very well up untill 7pm then here we go again the gangs again.,.,i didnt mind so much as i knew  quite a few off them.,.,.then all of a sudden whack a bottle hits the back of the van.,.,i go to look and theres a gang of about 30 or so.,.,what do i do ahhh fook it do nothing im off to cyprus in 3 weeks forget it.,.,so i did.,..,,.
i then started getting myself at it        what if this .,.what if that.,.,i said to my staff .,.cmon close it up and fence it off.,., so we did.,.closed in about half hour.,.,.,mind you its hard to sell sunglasses in the night lol.,.,..,.

do i go sunday yes/no.,.,.,.,.ah fook it lets have a day off and go out for lunch with a few friends.,.,and think of the future.,.,..mind you its boiling hot and sunny perfect for sunglasses lol..,,.,.,.,.,.
the moral of the story is ,,,,
years ago when we were hanging about with nothing to do.,.,a game of rat tat ginger was about as far as we would go,,,,but now.,these kids are so well organised there like a little army all with there mobile phones .,some have 2-3 phones lol.,.,.,.give these kids something to do i say or it will end up like america with the bloods/crips,,,

what a great idea for mr brown to say right lets build a few youth centers for these kids to go to and give them something to do and even pay them ,.,.,.,.,.,.
i just hope for everyones sake that the future of britain is upon the shoulders of the kids and if you leave it upto them,,,well,,,lets just say it wont be that clever to live here   .,,.,..,10-20years time.,,..,.,.,.,.,.

i hope i dont sound like a moaning git but it bothers me when i see kids hanning around with nothing to do except scheme how to beat up kids from the other county or smash up bus shelters/phone boxes...

[Indestructable]

You may sound like a moaning git, but you are not wrong. Who is to blame, parents, Government, police? Probably a mix of the three, but the biggest ones to blame are the "bad" kids who also give a bad impression of the good ones that are out there.

[spruce goose]

yet i still find the majority of youth based culture nothing really different than what i enacted upon and was acted upon after i became slightly intolerant of behaviour i have been guilty of.

i think it maybe blinkered to only criticise or seek escapism from what is i beleve to be an over reaction in a lot of instances of YOUNG PEOPLE trying to establish an identity in todays society,

i believe a positive and understanding attitude to most so called yobbish behaviour would have far more benifical effects for themselves and society as a whole as a comprehension of the difficulties they have inflicted upon others are made apparent to them. rather than the ostracization that we opt for now.

[RED-DOG]

yet i still find the majority of youth based culture nothing really different than what i enacted upon and was acted upon after i became slightly intolerant of behaviour i have been guilty of.

i think it maybe blinkered to only criticise or seek escapism from what is i believe to be an over reaction in a lot of instances of YOUNG PEOPLE trying to establish an identity in todays society,

i believe a positive and understanding attitude to most so called yobbish behaviour would have far more benifical effects for themselves and society as a whole as a comprehension of the difficulties they have inflicted upon others are made apparent to them. rather than the ostracization that we opt for now.

Conversely, I believe that a proper good hiding every time they bully someone or vandalise something would work wonders.

[jizzemm]

A good cane before the hiding would go a lot further....

They are horrible little t**ts, and do not make this country much fun to be in.. Enjoy Cyprus.. i dont blame you, and hopefully one day ill have enough for me to do the same..

[tikay]

EVERY Country has it's lairy kids, & it's good kids, but the lairy ones get more attention.

I told the story last week of the Sky Poker meeting. The Boss apart, everyone there was a youngster. (I exempt myself.....) They run a Live TV Show, pover 3 hours long, 7 nights a week. They do it without help from elders. That's some responsibility. The staff (per night) are around 20 in number, & in 8 months, there have been less than a handful of "sickies" or absenteeism. The "kids" are bright, cheerful, enthusiastic, intelligent, happy, conscientious & respectful to their elders. They dress well, are clean, don't stink of BO, don't "nip" money, & have decent manners. Unlike many adults.

I don't agree that we should categorize all kids as bad, or that the problem in Britain is worse than anywhere else. A wider view is needed.

And if the kids are bad (or good), perhaps we should take a look at the parents.

[sofa----king]

EVERY Country has it's lairy kids, & it's good kids, but the lairy ones get more attention.

I told the story last week of the Sky Poker meeting. The Boss apart, everyone there was a youngster. (I exempt myself.....) They run a Live TV Show, pover 3 hours long, 7 nights a week. They do it without help from elders. That's some responsibility. The staff (per night) are around 20 in number, & in 8 months, there have been less than a handful of "sickies" or absenteeism. The "kids" are bright, cheerful, enthusiastic, intelligent, happy, conscientious & respectful to their elders. They dress well, are clean, don't stink of BO, don't "nip" money, & have decent manners. Unlike many adults.

I don't agree that we should categorize all kids as bad, or that the problem in Britain is worse than anywhere else. A wider view is needed.

And if the kids are bad (or good), perhaps we should take a look at the parents.

I DO AGREE TO AN EXTENT but the parents are not with them all the time so you cant allways blame the parents.,.,thats the easy route,.,.,.
some of my mates kids are a handfull.,.,and i really wouldnt blame the parents,.,.,.,.i would blame the kids aged 12 and up,,.give them something to do ffs.,,.,.,.

[AlanWright]

Thats the difficulty for kids like you say, they have nothing to do. When they see most adults just getting absolutely sh*tfaced every five minutes it makes them follow suit. Bored drunk kids = trouble in any country. Not just here.

It really is fair to throw as much abuse you can at some kids because they are little gits, but its unfair to generalise with any group of people. At the end of the day I'd say the good kids out number the bad ones by a hell of a lot, they just don't get the coverage. Reasons for this are because as a nation we are obsessed with bad news.

[RED-DOG]

Thats the difficulty for kids like you say, they have nothing to do. When they see most adults just getting absolutely sh*tfaced every five minutes it makes them follow suit. Bored drunk kids = trouble in any country. Not just here.

It really is fair to throw as much abuse you can at some kids because they are little gits, but its unfair to generalise with any group of people. At the end of the day I'd say the good kids out number the bad ones by a hell of a lot, they just don't get the coverage. Reasons for this are because as a nation we are obsessed with bad news.

 

[tikay]

Thats the difficulty for kids like you say, they have nothing to do. When they see most adults just getting absolutely sh*tfaced every five minutes it makes them follow suit. Bored drunk kids = trouble in any country. Not just here.

It really is fair to throw as much abuse you can at some kids because they are little gits, but its unfair to generalise with any group of people. At the end of the day I'd say the good kids out number the bad ones by a hell of a lot, they just don't get the coverage. Reasons for this are because as a nation we are obsessed with bad news.

That's a GREAT Post Alan.

I don't care what arguments are advanced, "problem kids" are usually that way because of their parents. Fix the cause, not the effect. Bad parents begat bad kids.

Oh, & welcome to blonde.

[RED-DOG]

Mind you, parents are not allowed to smack naughty children these days.....

[kinboshi]

The environment people are in can have a far greater influence on behaviour than people realise.  It can often be the dominant factor over the way people are (nature) and the way they are brought up (nuture).

Look at the way they tackled crime in the New York subway system.  There were murders and robberies occurring at a frightening rate, but what did they focus on to reduce the crime?  They worked on removing the graffiti and stopping people ticket dodging, and effectively did nothing directly associated to the serious crimes.  But it worked.  They created an environment that was more pleasant, that didn't foster criminal activity, and serious crime levels fell dramatically as a result.

The 'broken window' syndrome is the problem for many areas in the UK (and in other countries of course).  If you're living in an area that has a high number of derelict houses, vandalism, and nothing positive to do, then it's going to perpetuate the anti-social behaviour that Sofa's been talking about.  Blaming the parents is too simplistic.

[tikay]

The environment people are in can have a far greater influence on behaviour than people realise.  It can often be the dominant factor over the way people are (nature) and the way they are brought up (nuture).

Look at the way they tackled crime in the New York subway system.  There were murders and robberies occurring at a frightening rate, but what did they focus on to reduce the crime?  They worked on removing the graffiti and stopping people ticket dodging, and effectively did nothing directly associated to the serious crimes.  But it worked.  They created an environment that was more pleasant, that didn't foster criminal activity, and serious crime levels fell dramatically as a result.

The 'broken window' syndrome is the problem for many areas in the UK (and in other countries of course).  If you're living in an area that has a high number of derelict houses, vandalism, and nothing positive to do, then it's going to perpetuate the anti-social behaviour that Sofa's been talking about.  Blaming the parents is too simplistic.

...and so is suggesting that most kids are bad.

[tikay]

Mind you, parents are not allowed to smack naughty children these days.....

As with Kizzy, Tom, it should not be necessary to slap a kid to bring him in line, if bought up well it can be done "on command". But most kids deserve a slap now & then, & if I had kids, I'd slap them if need be. I would not allow the law to prevent me.

But of course, I've never been a Parent, so my views are discounted to a degree.

But I was a kid once - many of us were - & I got plenty of whacks, from Parents, & School authority. They did me the world of good, & no harm whatsoever.

[kinboshi]

The environment people are in can have a far greater influence on behaviour than people realise.  It can often be the dominant factor over the way people are (nature) and the way they are brought up (nuture).

Look at the way they tackled crime in the New York subway system.  There were murders and robberies occurring at a frightening rate, but what did they focus on to reduce the crime?  They worked on removing the graffiti and stopping people ticket dodging, and effectively did nothing directly associated to the serious crimes.  But it worked.  They created an environment that was more pleasant, that didn't foster criminal activity, and serious crime levels fell dramatically as a result.

The 'broken window' syndrome is the problem for many areas in the UK (and in other countries of course).  If you're living in an area that has a high number of derelict houses, vandalism, and nothing positive to do, then it's going to perpetuate the anti-social behaviour that Sofa's been talking about.  Blaming the parents is too simplistic.

...and so is suggesting that most kids are bad.

Absolutely, I'm in total agreement.