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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2007, 01:56:57 PM »

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loads of long winded replies making me tired, who is everyone trying to impress???

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Just a thought....But it may be the hours you keep that make you tired rather than the nature of the posts on this thread. I don't think it's a good idea to try and understand complex poker strategy when you've just rolled in from the casino. Come back tomorrow after a good night's sleep and a relaxing bath and maybe you can start coming to terms with some of the theories on offer here.

Good stuff as usual Totalise.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2007, 08:38:19 PM »

or maybe your deep in a multi on stars, and fancied a look on the h.a board to see if anyone misplayed AA by shoving after a raise and an all in, thats all.
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2007, 11:31:56 PM »

 OK I'll give this a stab.

 First up we have 3-bet A,J suited on the Button and received a call from a player that can be described as tight passive(until the river that is).Can we put his range at 88+,AJ+,very possible I think going by the hands he has shown down on the other table.

 Then he check calls both the flop bet and the turn bet.What does he have to make these calls?. Can he slow play an overpair like this? especially after the turn pairs the board and brings a flush draw.I don't think he can,he has got to bet/raise the turn surely.JJ is unlikely but not impossible.At the moment I would put him on 99,10,10 or even AJo/s.

 Now comes the river and a push from him.What the hell has got to do this with?Can we really evaluate his pre-flop calling range to include JQ,not out of position surely?Did he really play QQ,KK,AA this badly on the flop and turn? not at this level he would get eaten alive no?.Can we give him credit for 44,66 or JJ here? 3 specific hands that the action doesn't necessarily suggest.

 What we also have to consider is what does our opponent think of us.He has been at our table 5mins but has been on our other table to see us piss away over 2 buy-ins.Does he think we are at-it?Did he widen his pre-flop range becuase we were on the button? If he did, does this include QJ or 6x even? Can he afford to give free cards(or cards at our bidding) when Holding QQ,KK and AA even on this board?.

 Now we have come to decision time.I don't think his pre-flop range would include JQ out of position to a 3-bet.It takes a brave/foolish man to play QQ,KK,and AA this way and I don't think he is either brave or foolish.44,66 or JJ(QQ as well) does he think our hand is strong enough to call a push(our range is quite large).Or does he do this thinking we can't call?I'm going to discount AA/KK/QQ and QJ here because I can't see him playing these hands this way.He is either very strong or very weak.

 There are now 3 hands I don't want to see but there are more that I beat so on this basis and the fact that I've been lagging it up on the other table which my opponent has seen then I think I'm good, enough times to make this a call.

 I would not be surprised to see 88,99,1010,or even AK here but very pissed at seeing AQ.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2007, 04:28:55 AM »


1) What’s your play here given reads?  If you have been snug, is AJ the kind of hand you want to see when you are starting to open up your 3-betting requirements? If not, what kinda hands would you prefer.


Given that he donks around on min raises and tends to show strong hands when making a larger raise, especially ones that might dominate you, I'd stick in a re-raise to try and take the pot there and then. If he calls, then we have position.

2) What are the pros and cons of checking behind on flops like this? How does this change if your opponent is very aggressive?


Unless he's hit a set, I am pretty sure we're ahead here. It's more likely that he has a Jack or a middling pair, so I'm happy to keep him in here with a small bet.

3) What is your move here? If you bet, how much? And what will you do if villain raises? And why.

I bet $60, which probably goes against anything anyone else says.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2007, 04:30:02 AM »

4) given pre/flop action, what kinda range are you giving him at the moment. Would you think it more/less likely he is drawing given the reads outlined earlier?

Could easily have a set, but I'm thinking more along the lines of K-J, Q-J, 8-8, etc.

5) what is your action here? Is now the time to slow down and exercise pot control or are we missing out on too much value?

I'd bet again. The Turn is a good one in my opinion, as it doesn't fill a flush whilst simultaneously makes the chances of 6-6 less likely.

6) What kind of hands would you assume he has here, and what is your action given reads?

I'm worried about about 4-4 or Q-J now, although the chance that he's bluffing a flush draw make this a tricky decision. The fact that he tends to get busy on most Rivers would lean me towards a fold.

7) Assuming the river was the two hearts instead of the , would your action on the river be different if he pushed all in?

Except for a busted flush draw, a bluff doesn't really make much sense from the way he has been betting, so I still think I'd opt for a fold. Very unlikely he has the flush, but I'm worried about 4-4.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2007, 05:03:38 AM »

On behalf of totalise, this is what happened:

"I called, villain had 66 for quads, and I doubled him up.

The mistake in the hand given his stats/reads is in betting the turn, with his high river aggression factor he is quite likely to bluff the river if he whiffs a draw, it lets him value bet worse hands, and it controls the pot so that you don't lose as much when you have the worst hand. Also typically players that have stats that increase markedly from flop to the river are more likely to be prone to slowplaying, so given all that, betting the turn got me into a spot where I inflated the pot more then necessary, allowed him to outplay me and doubled him up."
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2007, 03:36:28 PM »

I have a little gem that someone told me a long long time ago for smaller cash tables. Never call a big big overbet on the river without the nuts or near nuts. You will save a lot of money. Was good advice that.

Cheers for posting this totalise, very informative and good for all of us working on our game.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2007, 04:22:33 PM »

Yep, good hand that, don't think you can ever assume someone has quads though and fold.
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