Stack off here?

[TightEnd]

  Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/09/04 - 08:28:02 (ET)

Seat 1: Sven Wilke ($283.65 in chips)
Seat 2: peteracca ($168.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($272.10 in chips)
Seat 4: rroocckkyy ($74.85 in chips)
Seat 5: KILBYNITE ($131.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Soterdelf ($388 in chips)
Seat 7: Cubeke ($91.80 in chips)
Seat 8: oscar ($400 in chips)
Seat 9: Chosen25 ($418.75 in chips)

Hero: posts small blind $2
rroocckkyy: posts big blind $4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [ ]
KILBYNITE: folds
Soterdelf: folds
Cubeke: folds
oscar: folds
Chosen25: raises $12 to $16
Sven Wilke: calls $16
peteracca: folds
Hero raises $36 to $52
rroocckkyy: folds
Chosen25: calls $36
Sven Wilke: folds

*** FLOP *** [ ]
Hero bets $76
Chosen25: raises $310.75 to $366.75 and is all-in

Hero does what?


Chosen25, random player to me pre-this session. In two hours play across two tables I've hardly made a note...not once out of line, seems a plain vanilla tight-ish grinder.

I struggle less than I did with deep stacked over-pairs on undercard flops but i still find this sort of thing tough with little to go on. I suspect I am folding a lot of winners in these spots

Do you call or fold in these spots?

[Paullie_D]

I'm smelling KK or JJ here.

If he's the grinder you think he is, he made a proper raise and rightly called a re-raise. I note he didn't push pre-flop so I'm not thinking AA but a grinder would call the re-raise and if no A, scare over card or flop with horrible texture appears, stick it in. That's what he did.

Tough one but I fold..but then I play scared!

[Graham C]

Hands like this are the reason I hate cash games, but can also be the reason I love them.  I've been thinking about this for a while and I really don't know what I'd do.  You've invested a fair chunk into the pot already but lumping it all in on a pair doesn't feel right to me.  If it was a tourney, I'd happily call every time, but when it's hard cash, I think I'd have to fold.

I think he's on trips.  I'd have thought Aces or Kings would have reraised preflop so I'd rule them out, AJ is possible, but it's a lot to call preflop, especially if he's playing tightly, pocket pairs are a possibility and explain the massive raise on the flop but I think he's hit trip jacks and he doesn't want you to hit a flush. 

Perhaps he's got AK and can't let go?  Could be ahead, could be behind, but I don't think I'm capable of paying $150ish to find out.

[A_Leper]

In this type of spot villians range must surely be heavily weighted to stuff that's beating you, so you have 2 outs, or a biggish draw (flush + 1 or 2 overs?) which you might only have like 60% equity against.

One thing tho, you have like $150 left and there's like "Edit: $420" (Wrong - $270 (?)) in the pot so you're getting a nice price.

p.s. I'm not good in these spots, or good in general for that matter.

[bolt pp]

Easy fold really,

The reason you've got a descision and maybe you called i dont know, is because you've got 40%+ of your stack in the middle, still a fold

reraise pre oop with qq, thought you were tight?

[TightEnd]

standard vs MP raise and cold call yes? get through the original raiser and pick up the $32 plus blinds

[bolt pp]

standard vs MP raise and cold call yes? get through the original raiser and pick up the $32 plus blinds

yes

But hate this hand oop and the sicko in me is secrety hoping for him to reshove kk-aa so i can fold and get back to floping nut rainbow straights with 56 ect vs AA as oppossed to being faced with tricky flop situations like this, especailly if you're playing 4+ tables.

 

[TightEnd]

accepted, but you have to lead out on the flop?


are you flat calling pre?

[AlexMartin]

meh, i go broke here this shallow. You force JJ to make a preflop error and should only be really worried about aa/kk being slightly tricky. Im assuming you are up against a combo draw enough of the time to go broke here most of the time unless opp is a nit. AKspades deffo possibility which, incidentally,has been played well.

[bolt pp]

accepted, but you have to lead out on the flop?


are you flat calling pre?

I think how you played it was fine as long as you fold to the reshove

I dont really monitor my own stats(hands and situations that are most profitable for me, ect) but i think qq oop wouldnt be showing as great.

[byronkincaid]

raise more pre. easiest call ever with your short stack and a potential flush draw

[Smart Money]

meh, i go broke here this shallow. You force JJ to make a preflop error and should only be really worried about aa/kk being slightly tricky. Im assuming you are up against a combo draw enough of the time to go broke here most of the time unless opp is a nit. AKspades deffo possibility which, incidentally,has been played well.

I agree. You only had 68BB to start with, which makes all decisions eaiser. You've raised enough pre to only offer lower pairs around half the odds they need. (He's getting 9/2.)

If he slow-played AA/KK so be it.  Although I would expect to be behind here more often than not, you're short enough to make it an easy call. The current pot is $420 and it's $144 to call giving you 3/1 on your money.

[TightEnd]

and I called thinking I was behind, given my semi-shallow stack and praying for the spade draw. In fact he did not have spades, or a set....

Hero: calls $144.10 and is all-in

*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [ ] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Chosen25: mucks hand

Hero won $561.20 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $564.20 | Rake $3
Board [ ]

Seat 3: Hero (small blind) showed [ ] and won ($561.20) with two pair, Queens and Jacks

Seat 9: Chosen25 mucked [ ]

[Graham C]

Nice one, good call

( I said AK too )

[bolt pp]

 

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