How to cock up alternates and late entries? a case study

[TightEnd]

Well its going to be a good thread..so i thought I would at least start it lol


G Casino Luton tonight.........................

[suzanne]

Tell us more?

[TightEnd]

well now

I knew I was going to be late, but arrived at 8.38pm for a comp that started at 8.30pm

Fair enough. So I go to pay my money and expect to be slotted into a spare spot on a table, in common with what I have witnessed in several comps since 1st September

Well unfortunately they are playing three eleven handed tables...

they closed reg at 8.20pm with 24 players and 9 in the restaurant who were unaware of this get added to 8 seater tables at 8.30pm...

....so I go second alternate, there being no spare seat...

Spend two levels persuading the management that if they took two players off each of three tables and added the three alternates then they could have 4 nine handers and we'd all get to play

No no they say, rules are rules and Head Office won't allow us to do that

meanwhile 33 players are moaning, the alternates are pissed off and the common sense thing to do is ignored until they finally give in with ten minutes of the second level left...until a player objects to this!

we finally get in as the last three hands of the rebuy period starts,  and continue to play eleven handed after the break....


not the greatest drama in the world, and its easy to say things with hindsight....but how to ignore common sense just because your corporate culture does not allow you to show initiative, flexibility and customer service!!

[RichEO]

How did you do (no rebuy at least )?

Can an alternate change his mind and get a refund if it takes to long get a seat?

Why were they playing 11 handed anyway?

[suzanne]

How did you do (no rebuy at least )?

Can an alternate change his mind and get a refund if it takes to long get a seat?

Why were they playing 11 handed anyway?

Just what I was going to say

Feel better?

[TightEnd]

How did you do (no rebuy at least )?

Can an alternate change his mind and get a refund if it takes to long get a seat?

Why were they playing 11 handed anyway?

well going in that late you have to take the add on to give yourself a fighting chance

a late entry pays and is immediately seated if there are spaces

an alternate does not pay until he enters the comp, so there is not need for a refund


Was pretty pleased that my persuasive powers got as far as getting a casino management to change its mind,but I didn't reckon on a player's objection!! (nothing personal, I just didn't see that there was much to object to!)


they were playing 11 handed because when reg closed they had 24 players

they seated 3 times 8 handed

9 players then showed between 8.20 and 8.30

they went to 3 times 11

not 3 times 8 and 1 times 9

thus leaving themselves no space for late entries


daft,but true

I suppose we are all learning at the mo, even cardroom managers

 

[RichEO]

How did you do (no rebuy at least )?

Can an alternate change his mind and get a refund if it takes to long get a seat?

Why were they playing 11 handed anyway?

well going in that late you have to take the add on to give yourself a fighting chance

a late entry pays and is immediately seated if there are spaces

an alternate does not pay until he enters the comp, so there is not need for a refund


Was pretty pleased that my persuasive powers got as far as getting a casino management to change its mind,but I didn't reckon on a player's objection!! (nothing personal, I just didn't see that there was much to object to!)


they were playing 11 handed because when reg closed they had 24 players

they seated 3 times 8 handed

9 players then showed between 8.20 and 8.30

they went to 3 times 11

not 3 times 8 and 1 times 9

thus leaving themselves no space for late entries


daft,but true

I suppose we are all learning at the mo, even cardroom managers

The players that arrived between 8:20 and 8:30 are late entries? And so are the ones that come after the tourny has started?

If 10 players had arrived between 8:20 and 8:30 they would have had 4 tables, right?

Why is a late entry at 8:29 treated differently to a late entry at 8:31!

You don't need to keep players waiting for a seat unless you don't have the tables or dealers free. Am I on the right track?

[M3boy]

We did business 4 ways.

Me, Danny, Ian and some other guy.

On paper, I came 2nd, Danny 3rd and Ian won it

[Ironside]

with late entries once the number of tables is sorted out at the start they can add players to those tables but they cannot add more tables

once they decided to player 3 tables of 8 rather than 4 tables of 6 they cannot pull players off a table to add more players

they cannot even add another table if there are 11 players waiting to join as alternates

[Ironside]

i should add the reason why they cant do this is due to the random draw

say 8 mates all turned up late all got sat on a new table along with 1 or 2 other players and started soft playing each other

there would soon be a fuss kicked up

[TightEnd]

with late entries once the number of tables is sorted out at the start they can add players to those tables but they cannot add more tables

once they decided to player 3 tables of 8 rather than 4 tables of 6 they cannot pull players off a table to add more players

they cannot even add another table if there are 11 players waiting to join as alternates

this is incorrect. On Sat 1st September they created a new table of 8 during the first level.

[kinboshi]

Iron makes a very valid point.  If they add another table of alternates, what is to stop a 'team' of alternates arriving and then dumping the chips to one player? 

[TightEnd]

Iron makes a very valid point.  If they add another table of alternates, what is to stop a 'team' of alternates arriving and then dumping the chips to one player? 

thats true, but they set a precedent on 1 sept by allowing it to happen

[Irishdenis]

Just two points on this issue.

1    At the world series it is common for late arrivals to be taken on mass to open new tables. Ironside is right about the risks involved but in principle I have no problem as we all want max value.

2    What will happen with events when you have two first days. If you arrive within two hours of the start of the second day will you be allowed in.! ! !

[Snatiramas]

So many new things to be worked out I think it will be some time before it all settles down...........Just a shame that I wasn't there to object just for the sport lol