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byronkincaid
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the re-raise
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September 09, 2007, 10:30:24 PM »
I bet some money, my opponent raises, I look into his soul and think he's bluffing so I re-raise.
I bet some money, my opponent raises. half the people on this forum call this a re-raise.
Why?
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September 09, 2007, 10:32:50 PM »
if you have bet some money is this not a raise, therefore making any further raise a re raise?
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Re: the re-raise
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September 09, 2007, 10:33:42 PM »
no it's a bet.
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What kind of fuckery is this?
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September 09, 2007, 11:26:33 PM »
Lots make the mistake of thinking the first bet is a raise not a bet and so the first raise actually becomes the re-raise. This might originate from some casinos requiring an announcement of some kind and players say "raise" for want of something to say when in fact they should be stating the bet amount. So a catalogue of errors ensues. Interestingly though if the first to act makes the mistake of announcing a raise would it be incorrect then to just raise now the error has occurred...considering you can only re-raise a raise?
That soul-searching ability is a good quality to have I think. Did you learn it from a book?
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September 09, 2007, 11:27:43 PM »
i bought special shades. they were very expensive
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September 09, 2007, 11:31:09 PM »
Quote from: byronkincaid on September 09, 2007, 11:27:43 PM
i bought special shades. they were very expensive
You did not - you sold your own soul to the devil and the devil in return gave you soul seeing and pedantry.
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September 09, 2007, 11:32:13 PM »
I'll take glasses in part exchange for used copy of Caro's Book of Tells?
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September 09, 2007, 11:32:52 PM »
just trying to save people the time and hassle of writing "re-" all the time
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September 10, 2007, 12:33:30 AM »
Quote from: byronkincaid on September 09, 2007, 11:32:52 PM
just trying to save people the time and hassle of writing "re-" all the time
what about if i'm writing a post about Religious Education?
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bolt pp
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September 10, 2007, 12:46:36 AM »
Or posting about something regarding something else
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byronkincaid
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Re: the re-raise
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September 10, 2007, 01:24:28 AM »
I am feeling particularly helpful tonight. My advice will save you lots of time and energy bolt. next time you're considering writing something similar to this
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I call his re raise and reassess on the turn
The auto raise could be qj-qk which is what you're beating.
If you look at whats beating you though.... q10 ,q9 ,910 ,99 also i think you can include aa-1010(it's not uncommon for weaker players to flat call with big pairs here and see multiway flops at this level) i think it's better to play this hand a lot more cautiously.
This is definitely NOT the type of marginal situation i want to be getting all my money in with at this level, especially with how easy it is to stack opponent after opponent by just waiting for nut(or near) situations because you WILL get paid
Even against a pair of nines and a flush draw your getting your money in when your winning but a rag to win the hand and racing for your stack, your putting the equity advantage back in the favour of the recreational player
edit- sorry i didn't say what i would do on the turn
Factoring in the two possible flopped straights as well i fold to any sort of proper bet on the turn though for the extra $2 on the flop i think you have to see if he fires the turn because so often at these stakes the flop auto raise is about the standard your opponents bluffing capabilities.
even the jq is only going in a 6% rag for the race and i think if you're looking to build up a roll at these levels when all the money goes in i think you have to be looking at a lot more equity that 56% in the long term to achieve your goal.
playing at $1/2 or less i approach it like this, fire up 4-6 tables and look to get blinded away, can you imagine the interminable task of anteing off 100 bb on 6 different tables!!! but thats what i look to do, no need to play poker here, the standard is still pretty bad.
now if you sit there with the sole intention of just watching everyone else, folding hand after hand after hand at $1/2 and less i think you'd be surprised by the end of the session how many times you got payed with the nut hand, how many times you KNEW you had the best hand you'd look back at this aq situation and wouldn't even dream of using a buy in(or about 75% or whatever is was).
I dont know how much you put into pokertracker ect but ive never used it for low limit poker($1/2 or less) because ABC poker has always surficed and although there is a steady improvement at these levels as people utilise the internet format to improve their game we are VERY far of from ABC not surficing!!
give it a try, turn off poker tracker, fire up 4 tables, If theres a situation where theres ANY doubt, i mean ANY doubt fold it! play standard ABC, dont run ONE bluff(it doesn't really matter how rocked up you are, the traffic on these tables are vast and so many players are recreational and not there long enough to notice) bet your big hands(on every sreet, nothing too cute) underplay draws and i think you might be surprised by how easy it is to get paid and how unnecessary it is to be getting all your money in with AQ in such a marginal situation
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I'M A FKING NIT
should save you enough time to lose a few more blinds
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Re: the re-raise
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September 10, 2007, 01:29:49 AM »
REaction?
Is that your own opinion or is it what the books say?
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September 10, 2007, 01:36:22 AM »
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September 10, 2007, 01:50:25 AM »
Amazing
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Re: the re-raise
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September 10, 2007, 01:56:10 AM »
REally?
http://www.blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=23815.msg485136#msg485136
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