Value Raise The River?

[UpTheMariners]

outside8 - 29/6/10 - 45 hands

FullTiltPoker Game #3525326201: Table Reunion (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:55:19 ET - 2007/09/10
Seat 1: outside8 ($105.25)
Seat 2: DMixMaster ($89.90)
Seat 3: zomgROFL ($200)
Seat 4: pareshjain ($244.70)
Seat 5: UpTheMariners ($495.90)
Seat 6: Bluechip200 ($72.45)
UpTheMariners posts the small blind of $1
Bluechip200 posts the big blind of $2
5 seconds left to act
zomgROFL posts $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ ]
outside8 calls $2
DMixMaster folds
zomgROFL checks
pareshjain folds
UpTheMariners calls $1
Bluechip200 checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
UpTheMariners checks
Bluechip200 checks
outside8 checks
zomgROFL checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
UpTheMariners checks
Bluechip200 has 15 seconds left to act
Bluechip200 checks
outside8 checks
zomgROFL checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
UpTheMariners bets $6
Bluechip200 folds
outside8 raises to $16
zomgROFL folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act

Value raise on the river or smooth call?

[TheChipPrince]

Your only beaten by 1 hand here, AJ, I think you have to raise the river, up to $38 would be about right I think... I can understand if you flat called, but I think thats a cautious long term play here...

[Longy]

I raise this making it $40-50 to go and i will make a crying call if he pushes. Your only beat by 1 hand and you should get a call from a set or maybe a 2pr enough to justify raising.

[AlexMartin]

I raise to $39 and dont call if he pushes.

[Smart Money]

Good question.

Evidence for a re-raise: 6-handed, and with a dead blind posted, any decent player is raising pre-flop with AJ.

Evidence against: What can he be re-raising with that isn't AJ, that will call another raise? Only hands I can think of are a slow-played 44 or 22. He could have QT, but he may not call another raise with it.

I'd probably re-raise here because he is only sitting with 50BB. If he was deep-stacked then I'd just call.

[Smart Money]

Looking at his stats (he only raises 6% of the time 6-handed) and the fact that he's sitting 1/2 stacked (generally indicating a worse-than-average player), would indicate that he may just limp pre with AJ.

I'd just call.

[Smart Money]

Coincidentally, here's a very similar hand from this morning where my opponent has exactly the same decision to make.

(Incidentally, his flop and turn play are very poor- it's a perfect board for him to continuation bet on. Why raise with a marginal hand if you're not going to bet it?)

Full Tilt Poker Game #3627700182: Table Jade Hills - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:24:22 ET - 2007/09/21
Seat 1: RunRunDinosaur ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: watabunchofjoke ($100)
Seat 3: Aaron2 ($69)
Seat 4: Narena ($407.45)
Seat 5: chiseler1 ($49)
Seat 6: POKERSTRIKER ($102.60)
Seat 7: jeffcollins ($38.20)
Seat 8: meate8or ($248.60)
Seat 9: 119764 ($168.60)
Aaron2 posts the small blind of $1
Narena posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Narena [ ]
chiseler1 folds
POKERSTRIKER folds
jeffcollins folds
RunRunDinosaur adds $100
meate8or folds
119764 raises to $6
Aaron2 folds
Narena calls $4
*** FLOP *** [ ]
RunRunDinosaur has returned
Narena checks
119764 checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Narena checks
119764 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Narena checks
119764 bets $13
Narena raises to $36
119764 has 15 seconds left to act
119764 raises to $162.60, and is all in
Narena calls $126.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
119764 shows [ ] a straight, King high
Narena shows [ ] a straight, Ace high
Narena wins the pot ($335.20) with a straight, Ace high
119764 is sitting out

[UpTheMariners]

i ended up making a value raise thinking he may call a bet with kq. My mistake was i reraised too much meaning he was only going to do it with aj.

[Smart Money]

i ended up making a value raise thinking he may call a bet with kq. My mistake was i reraised too much meaning he was only going to do it with aj.

The thing is, to check that flop and turn with KQ (especially with his position) is very, very unlikley.

[UpTheMariners]

i ended up making a value raise thinking he may call a bet with kq. My mistake was i reraised too much meaning he was only going to do it with aj.

The thing is, to check that flop and turn with KQ (especially with his position) is very, very unlikley.

yeah i was talking bollocks earlier theres no reason why i should of raised lol

[AlexMartin]

Coincidentally, here's a very similar hand from this morning where my opponent has exactly the same decision to make.

(Incidentally, his flop and turn play are very poor- it's a perfect board for him to continuation bet on. Why raise with a marginal hand if you're not going to bet it?)

Full Tilt Poker Game #3627700182: Table Jade Hills - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:24:22 ET - 2007/09/21
Seat 1: RunRunDinosaur ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: watabunchofjoke ($100)
Seat 3: Aaron2 ($69)
Seat 4: Narena ($407.45)
Seat 5: chiseler1 ($49)
Seat 6: POKERSTRIKER ($102.60)
Seat 7: jeffcollins ($38.20)
Seat 8: meate8or ($248.60)
Seat 9: 119764 ($168.60)
Aaron2 posts the small blind of $1
Narena posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Narena [ ]
chiseler1 folds
POKERSTRIKER folds
jeffcollins folds
RunRunDinosaur adds $100
meate8or folds
119764 raises to $6
Aaron2 folds
Narena calls $4
*** FLOP *** [ ]
RunRunDinosaur has returned
Narena checks
119764 checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Narena checks
119764 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Narena checks
119764 bets $13
Narena raises to $36
119764 has 15 seconds left to act
119764 raises to $162.60, and is all in
Narena calls $126.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
119764 shows [ ] a straight, King high
Narena shows [ ] a straight, Ace high
Narena wins the pot ($335.20) with a straight, Ace high
119764 is sitting out

WTF smart you call oop pre with AJ?

[Smart Money]

Well, sometimes I get a bit bored playing 12 tables so I loosen up a bit.