Dealing Error..!!

[The_duke]

During a game tonight, we had a dealing error and I would like to ask how it should have been handled..

2 players in the hand after a raise, pre flop....

Flop comes, one bets, one calls...
Turn comes, one bets, one raises all-in....
But...
Before the 2nd player calls or folds against the all-in bet, the dealer has dealt the river card.. 
After the river card comes 2nd player calls the all-in...

I am sure there must be an answer to how it is handled regardless of what 2 cards the 2 players had..

[Ironside]

the river card is put back into the pack and shuffled

[s3an]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

[Ironside]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

[GlasgowBandit]

Yes the river card should be put back into the deck, the deck shuffled and the player should announce his intentions before the final card is dealt.

Wouldn't happen online

[bolt pp]

crack the dealer round the head with your chair before saying: "you fucking donkey, where did you learn to deal? you deal another hand like that in this gaff and i'll cut your fingers off and feed em to the dog" then you all take turns booting him in the head.

[jizzemm]

crack the dealer round the head with your chair before saying: "you fucking donkey, where did you learn to deal? you deal another hand like that in this gaff and i'll cut your fingers off and feed em to the dog" then you all take turns booting him in the head.

 

[RichEO]

It wasn't my bro who dealt it was it?

When I was in Bellagio the dealer dealt the turn card too early and they just left it out rather than reshuffle. That was a cash game though (not that I think it should be any different). Duke's game is a STT.

The way you should (and probably did) resolve it would go something like this:  Have another

Go on, other than having more beer, what did you do, who was involved and what cards did they have ?

[doubleup]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

[Bainn]

crack the dealer round the head with your chair before saying: "you fucking donkey, where did you learn to deal? you deal another hand like that in this gaff and i'll cut your fingers off and feed em to the dog" then you all take turns booting him in the head.

Harsh, but fair.

[phatomch]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

[Bainn]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

Contraversial, but fair.

[dik9]

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

Again, why should anyone follow? It should all be universal, why does Grosvenor think they can change a rule and everyone have to follow? Bite the bullet and Take LCI's example now guideline 3 is out of the way, and use TDA rules, forget the "we are the biggest chain in the UK" mentality and your rules committee, it is already done now. It is a perfect time for any casino in the UK to conform to TDA rules??

Having 21 cardrooms doesn't make you the most reputable either

[Robert HM]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

My independent view, i.e. no company line to toe. If 21 lemmings jump over a cliff, should the others follow the bigger group. If the rule is infair change it.

[The_duke]

It wasn't my bro who dealt it was it?

When I was in Bellagio the dealer dealt the turn card too early and they just left it out rather than reshuffle. That was a cash game though (not that I think it should be any different). Duke's game is a STT.

The way you should (and probably did) resolve it would go something like this:  Have another

Go on, other than having more beer, what did you do, who was involved and what cards did they have ?

No your brother wan't dealing..... 1st player KJ / 2nd Player JJ -- flop J46 -- turn K -- (allin in by KJ after turn) mis dealt river 7 then JJ calls. Can't see that player 2 wouldnt call anyway but rules is rules and as a group we were not sure. Now we know -- thanks Iron........