A Couple O' Jocks in Paris!

[kinboshi]

Souness.  What a poor manager.  Great player  - terrible manager.

[Bazzaboy]

The subtle difference being that Rangers allowed their players to play for their school thus making them eligible to play for Scotlands Schoolboys side. 

Unless Rangers have changed it in the last few years if you are a Rangers player you don't play schools football - from as far back as Souness.

Why then were players from all other clubs allowed to play for Scottish schoolboys but Celtic players were not?  In the article linked below McGeady confirms that he was ineligible to play for Scotland due to Celtic for insisting their players didn't play Schools football.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article650086.ece?token=null&offset=12

The rules have obviously now changed as Celtic players are able to play for Scottish Schoolboys.  I'm also fairly certain that no players from SPL clubs play for their Schools anymore.

[Benny Brox]

Souness.  What a poor manager.  Great player  - terrible manager.

Yeah, he's wrecked every football club he's been at as a manager, loved the £8 million he "gave" us for Boumsong.

Reading boldie's post about being confronted by disgraceful Old Firm fans, it seems a common occurence I think even when you're on holiday. My mate spoke to a Scottish guy in a bar in Greece and one of the first questions he asked the guy was who he supported (just in conversation, not to then kick his head in depending on the answer) but he refused to say cos he got an absolute bleaching the night before by 3 Old Firm fans who supported the other team.

Also on holiday this year, 4 Celtic boys came in to the pub while the Rangers game was on, shouted "Dirty Orange B*stard" a few times at Barry Ferguson and other bigotry comments and then as they left a pint glass got chucked at them, a massive brawl then almost erupted.

That's why I don't have a season ticket cos the amount of scum that go to the games is unbelievable and I hate putting up with it. On both sides some of the people look like extras out of the Hills Have Eyes and Deliverance. I was at a Rangers Hearts game last year, a wee bit hungover and the game was pants so I drifted into a wee sleep only to wake up to a 5'0 weedgie with 3 eyes and four teeth trying to eat my arm cos there was no food left in the bin!

[johnbhoy76]

The subtle difference being that Rangers allowed their players to play for their school thus making them eligible to play for Scotlands Schoolboys side. 

Unless Rangers have changed it in the last few years if you are a Rangers player you don't play schools football - from as far back as Souness.

The rules have obviously now changed as Celtic players are able to play for Scottish Schoolboys.  I'm also fairly certain that no players from SPL clubs play for their Schools anymore.

Surely this is vindication of Celtic's stance on the matter.

About 10 years ago Celtic decided that none of their players were to play for their schools team.

The reason being that Celtic wanted Celtic youth players only to be coached at Celtic. They did not want them playing on red ash pitches being shouted at by ill informed coaches and parents. You know the type of eejits I'm talking about.

In the last 10 years Celtic have given 1st team debuts to several young players. Off the top of my head I can name Aiden McGeady, Liam Miller, Shaun Maloney, John Kennedy, Stephen McManus, David Marshall, Craig Beattie, Ross Wallace, Jamie Smith, Stephen Crainey etc....

The SFA said that if you do not represent your High School then you cannot play for the Scottish schools national team. Celtic never said their players could not represent Scotland. It was the SFA who took the stance.

In my view Celtic were trying to do what is best for the development of the young players at Celtic (which will have a knock on benefit for Scotland). Every other SPL side has now followed Celtic's example and the SFA have dropped their silly stance.

I'd say this shows Celtic to have been 100% correct on the matter.

Also people using words like "rat" "traitior" "betrayed" etc.... need to tone down their language. It is a game of football we are talking about at the end of the day. Aiden McGeady hasn't murdered anyone, he's not joined Al Quida or anything he's choosen to play football for ROI instead of Scotland. It's not the end of the world!

[Div]

Geez, you pop off to spend the weekend doing your bollocks at internet poker and come back to this stramash of a thread.

I don't think I'll bother posting on any of these threads any more. Trying to discuss these issues with Scottish supporters is like trying to discuss Middle East politics with the Fedayeen, and most of the others who try to chip in their 'witty' asides haven't got a clue.

The 'high profile' v 'low profile' treatment differential should get an interesting test sometime in the next couple of years if James McCarthy continues on his current career trajectory.

Currently low profile, he should be pretty high profile if Liverpool, Chelsea, Celtic, or even Rangers(!) get their mitts on him.

This article also gives an interesting insight into how the SFA works in these matters. They knew all about McCarthy, sent their high heid yins along to see him on numerous occasions, but it didn't actually occur to them to say to him 'Hey kid, you are really good! Want to play for Scotland?'

The quotes from Ross Mathie are just astoundingly naive, at best. They didn't speak to the player, but they did speak to the Irish, who told them he'd already agreed to play for them.

In part that explains my general apathy towards the national team. It is inextricably linked to the SFA, which is populated by a collection of self serving incompetents and hangers on.

If Scotland do qualify for Euro 2008 I'll be delighted for the players, the fans, and the nation, but it will sicken me that the various butchers, bakers and candlestick makers who run the SFA, along with their wives/girlfriends/mistresses, will be junketing their way through the tournament on generous expense accounts which ultimately are funded by Scottish football fans.

If Scotland draw England in Euro 2008, do you think Ross Mathie, Donald McVicar, or even John McBeth will struggle to get tickets for the game?

Anyone who thinks the SFA has a clue need only visit 'new' Hampden and compare it with The Millenium Stadium to find out how much they know. In fact, they needn't bother travelling that far. Hampden is the third best stadium in Glasgow, and the fourth best in central Scotland.

[bolt pp]

I don't think I'll bother posting on any of these threads any more.

cue NINE following paragraphs................

[boldie]

Geez, you pop off to spend the weekend doing your bollocks at internet poker and come back to this stramash of a thread.

I don't think I'll bother posting on any of these threads any more. Trying to discuss these issues with Scottish supporters is like trying to discuss Middle East politics with the Fedayeen, and most of the others who try to chip in their 'witty' asides haven't got a clue.

The 'high profile' v 'low profile' treatment differential should get an interesting test sometime in the next couple of years if James McCarthy continues on his current career trajectory.

Currently low profile, he should be pretty high profile if Liverpool, Chelsea, Celtic, or even Rangers(!) get their mitts on him.

This article also gives an interesting insight into how the SFA works in these matters. They knew all about McCarthy, sent their high heid yins along to see him on numerous occasions, but it didn't actually occur to them to say to him 'Hey kid, you are really good! Want to play for Scotland?'

The quotes from Ross Mathie are just astoundingly naive, at best. They didn't speak to the player, but they did speak to the Irish, who told them he'd already agreed to play for them.

In part that explains my general apathy towards the national team. It is inextricably linked to the SFA, which is populated by a collection of self serving incompetents and hangers on.

If Scotland do qualify for Euro 2008 I'll be delighted for the players, the fans, and the nation, but it will sicken me that the various butchers, bakers and candlestick makers who run the SFA, along with their wives/girlfriends/mistresses, will be junketing their way through the tournament on generous expense accounts which ultimately are funded by Scottish football fans.

If Scotland draw England in Euro 2008, do you think Ross Mathie, Donald McVicar, or even John McBeth will struggle to get tickets for the game?

Anyone who thinks the SFA has a clue need only visit 'new' Hampden and compare it with The Millenium Stadium to find out how much they know. In fact, they needn't bother travelling that far. Hampden is the third best stadium in Glasgow, and the fourth best in central Scotland.

I agree with the general sentiment..the SFA are a disgrace. They really don't know anything and don't care about football..they are nothing short of a joke

[Bazzaboy]

The subtle difference being that Rangers allowed their players to play for their school thus making them eligible to play for Scotlands Schoolboys side. 

Unless Rangers have changed it in the last few years if you are a Rangers player you don't play schools football - from as far back as Souness.

The rules have obviously now changed as Celtic players are able to play for Scottish Schoolboys.  I'm also fairly certain that no players from SPL clubs play for their Schools anymore.

Surely this is vindication of Celtic's stance on the matter.

About 10 years ago Celtic decided that none of their players were to play for their schools team.

The reason being that Celtic wanted Celtic youth players only to be coached at Celtic. They did not want them playing on red ash pitches being shouted at by ill informed coaches and parents. You know the type of eejits I'm talking about.

In the last 10 years Celtic have given 1st team debuts to several young players. Off the top of my head I can name Aiden McGeady, Liam Miller, Shaun Maloney, John Kennedy, Stephen McManus, David Marshall, Craig Beattie, Ross Wallace, Jamie Smith, Stephen Crainey etc....

The SFA said that if you do not represent your High School then you cannot play for the Scottish schools national team. Celtic never said their players could not represent Scotland. It was the SFA who took the stance.

In my view Celtic were trying to do what is best for the development of the young players at Celtic (which will have a knock on benefit for Scotland). Every other SPL side has now followed Celtic's example and the SFA have dropped their silly stance.

I'd say this shows Celtic to have been 100% correct on the matter.

Also people using words like "rat" "traitior" "betrayed" etc.... need to tone down their language. It is a game of football we are talking about at the end of the day. Aiden McGeady hasn't murdered anyone, he's not joined Al Quida or anything he's choosen to play football for ROI instead of Scotland. It's not the end of the world!

I'd tend to agree with that.  I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

[BigTomatoes]

 what about learning teamwork , increasing a will to win , improving techniqe and skill , experience , travelling , bonding etc etc ??

[Eck]

 what about learning teamwork , increasing a will to win , improving techniqe and skill , experience , travelling , bonding etc etc ??

What at school? as opposed to with a professional football club?

[BigTomatoes]

I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

[Eck]

I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

LOL at you who had a go at Fear for taking things out of context.

If you read the full post it is referring to kids who are signed by clubs that don't allow them to play for there schools. Hence my answer, i think they will be developed far better at a football club than by Mr wilson the Geography teacher.

[boldie]

I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

LOL at you who had a go at Fear for taking things out of context.

If you read the full post it is referring to kids who are signed by clubs that don't allow them to play for there schools. Hence my answer, i think they will be developed far better at a football club than by Mr wilson the Geography teacher.

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That depends on whether Mr Wilson is a protestant or a Catholic, no?

[Teacake]

I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

LOL at you who had a go at Fear for taking things out of context.

If you read the full post it is referring to kids who are signed by clubs that don't allow them to play for there schools. Hence my answer, i think they will be developed far better at a football club than by Mr wilson the Geography teacher.

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That depends on whether Mr Wilson is a protestant or a Catholic, no?

Comments like that don't really help now do they 

[boldie]

I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

LOL at you who had a go at Fear for taking things out of context.

If you read the full post it is referring to kids who are signed by clubs that don't allow them to play for there schools. Hence my answer, i think they will be developed far better at a football club than by Mr wilson the Geography teacher.

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That depends on whether Mr Wilson is a protestant or a Catholic, no?

Comments like that don't really help now do they 

but they can't hurt can't they?..really?