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« on: October 24, 2007, 12:39:09 AM »

This one made me think.

Blinds 100/200 in 180 runner $20. We have 6000 chips, the button has 3000.

Find  in the cut off, raise to 600. Button, who has barely played a hand all game, flat calls. When he has played, he's been aggressive and in both showdowns you've seen he's had the goods. SB/BB fold, pot is 1500.

Flop comes .

1) I presume you're leading out here, but how much and why?

Let's say you lead out for 800. Button comes all over the top for his remaining 2400 chips. So you're left with a call of 1600 into a pot of 4700. Very tempting odds, and you'll still have 3000 left if you call and lose. Instacall?

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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 05:22:18 AM »

to me he is playing a medium PP and is looking for a flop without major paint he has gotten what he wants and is now shoving

i am assuming the only hands beating you that he could possibly have are QQ 77 and 66
if he had the 66 or the 77 i would of expected him just to call the flop bet in the hope you will push the turn
so its looks to me as the lonly had your worried about is QQ

the range of hands you are beating is JJ TT 99 88 55 44 33 22

personally i call here unless i have a major read on him

so 99% if time its an instacall
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 12:13:23 PM »

no. clear fold. seriously why is there even a thread about this?
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 04:54:47 PM »

no. clear fold. seriously why is there even a thread about this?

what are you scare off against a tight player in a raised pot?

he surely aint in there with A7

that is unless the info on the button is incorrect
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 06:40:50 PM »

no. clear fold. seriously why is there even a thread about this?

Because yesterday I was all tilted up and really doubting my ability to make any correct decision at any poker game on any table at any level. Unfortunately it's carried through today. Maybe there should be a hand analysis for tilting donks.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 06:42:42 PM »

no. clear fold. seriously why is there even a thread about this?

Because yesterday I was all tilted up and really doubting my ability to make any correct decision at any poker game on any table at any level. Unfortunately it's carried through today. To the extent that I don't know whether your "clear fold" is sarcastic or not! Maybe there should be a hand analysis for tilting donks...
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 06:52:54 PM »

saaaarcasm?
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 11:17:50 PM »

Fold? Are you serious???

lol
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 12:50:42 AM »

to me he is playing a medium PP and is looking for a flop without major paint he has gotten what he wants and is now shoving

i am assuming the only hands beating you that he could possibly have are QQ 77 and 66
if he had the 66 or the 77 i would of expected him just to call the flop bet in the hope you will push the turn
so its looks to me as the lonly had your worried about is QQ

the range of hands you are beating is JJ TT 99 88 55 44 33 22

personally i call here unless i have a major read on him

so 99% if time its an instacall

Thanks for the detailed analysis which the post probably didn't deserve. JJ was beaten though, and although I know I shouldn't be results oriented, I just wanted to check there wasn't a major flaw in my thinking.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 12:51:09 AM »

Fold? Are you serious???

lol

no. lolz
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 09:12:48 AM »

Yes.

This is a great flop for a pair and with his stack he is likely to raise you with any pair/ any draw. You raised in late position so he'll probably be suspicious about your range and flop continuation bet.

Call, you're beating his range fairly comfortably even if he's a tight player and you're getting great odds.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 12:59:53 PM »

1000 bet, call an all-in...
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