Quick Cash Question

[Graham C]

50NL game last night,  UTG+1 has just sat at table and has full buy in of $50.

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, I have KK and raise to $2.50.  Folds to caller who raises to $5.00.  I've raised to $15 and he's pushed all in for $50.

Should I know at this point he has aces or is it an insta call?   Are people with KK/QQ/AK likely to push all in too or would they flat call the $15, see the flop then push?

Ta kindly.

[doubleup]

50NL game last night,  UTG+1 has just sat at table and has full buy in of $50.

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, I have KK and raise to $2.50.  Folds to caller who raises to $5.00.  I've raised to $15 and he's pushed all in for $50.

Should I know at this point he has aces or is it an insta call?   Are people with KK/QQ/AK likely to push all in too or would they flat call the $15, see the flop then push?

Ta kindly.

I fear that this has all the symptoms of AA - mini-reraise followed by 5 bet push.  I don't think I could fold vs an unknown at this level though getting nearly 2-1.

[Tractor]

50NL game last night,  UTG+1 has just sat at table and has full buy in of $50.

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, I have KK and raise to $2.50.  Folds to caller who raises to $5.00.  I've raised to $15 and he's pushed all in for $50.

Should I know at this point he has aces or is it an insta call?   Are people with KK/QQ/AK likely to push all in too or would they flat call the $15, see the flop then push?

Ta kindly.

I fear that this has all the symptoms of AA - mini-reraise followed by 5 bet push.  I don't think I could fold vs an unknown at this level though getting nearly 2-1.

It does smell of AA but against an unknown it could be jj,qq or ax, i have to call.

[Bongo]

I don't know many people who limp reraise with JJ or AX though.

[kinboshi]

Call, and spike a king on the flop.

[Graham C]

Call, and spike a king on the flop.

that's the bit I didn't do

[AdamG]

smells big of AA 1st hand cos he wants action , but im sure he could do this with KK QQ also

[Flea]

Might be just trying to set-up a loose/reckless image early on, seen new players to a table do this and then start playing properly after blowing 3 or 4 buy-ins. Probably not the case in this scenario but curiosity would force me to call (probably why I'm not much good at cash, "curiosity killed the..........Flea" in this case).

[Graham C]

That's not so bad then thanks.  I was annoyed at myself for calling last night but then I was thinking that I've seen it done with a lot worse hands than AA so maybe it wasn't such a bad call (apart from it obviously was) 

Glad to know I'm not the only one that would have called and perhaps it's not such a bad call

As usual, thank you

[doubleup]

That's not so bad then thanks.  I was annoyed at myself for calling last night but then I was thinking that I've seen it done with a lot worse hands than AA so maybe it wasn't such a bad call (apart from it obviously was) 

Glad to know I'm not the only one that would have called and perhaps it's not such a bad call

As usual, thank you

One slight point tho is that the only reason I would call is the way played i.e pot odds.  You could have flat called the mini-reraise and perhaps got away from the hand in the face of continued aggression. 

[Graham C]

Yeah I've been mulling that over too.  The flop came ten high and I'm not sure I could have got out of it then, although I may have I suppose.

[Smart Money]

It's always important to specify how many players at the table as decisions often differ from full ring and short-handed games.

If this was a full ring NL 200 (I don't know anything about NL 50 play) then this is AA the vast majority of the times. "Correct" play would be to call the re-raise and fold to non-King flop.

[KingPoker]

It's always important to specify how many players at the table as decisions often differ from full ring and short-handed games.

If this was a full ring NL 200 (I don't know anything about NL 50 play) then this is AA the vast majority of the times. "Correct" play would be to call the re-raise and fold to non-King flop.

Correct play to call hoping to hit your 9-1 (editied thanks to bongo) and fold to anything below King High on the flop with the second best starting hand??? Who plays KK like that?

The reraise to 15 was a nice play and you just got unlucky that he had the only hand beating you but as people have said before the limp-min raise-all in is not a gd way to play JJ or QQ so maybe the clues were there but always gonna be hard to lay it down especially with no info on the player.

[Bongo]

Closer to 9-1 than 25-1, and it would depend on the game but I often fold kings in cash.

[KingPoker]

Closer to 9-1 than 25-1, and it would depend on the game but I often fold kings in cash.

Folding KK isnt a problem but calling is never an option.

If silo was trapping after putting him on a hand such as 1010/JJ,maybe then, but why would you call when you are, as a guesstimation, 80% sure he had a premium hand (QQ/KK/AA) so you either raise get reriased and fold or raise get reraised and gamble hoping he doesnt have AA. Im never flat calling a flop when im almost sure he has AA or flat calling him and risking him setting up cheaply with a lesser PP.

And i would consider folding Kings a hell of a lot more in MTT's than i would in a cash game.