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bhoywonder
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Re: HSP $500,000
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November 07, 2007, 05:27:01 AM »
wow
great stuff
now thats a solid table..so much money on it.........
i like the amateur,plays pretty well
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Re: HSP $500,000
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November 07, 2007, 07:36:06 AM »
Sorry I know it's Brunson but if you ain't gonna call Gold with hand you may as well stand up and leave now.
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AlexMartin
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November 07, 2007, 02:46:01 PM »
Quote from: MKKfish on November 07, 2007, 07:36:06 AM
Sorry I know it's Brunson but if you ain't gonna call Gold with hand you may as well stand up and leave now.
Hmmmm. Disagree. If you think you have the worst hand, folding is a good plan right? That way you train your instaincts and improve as a player. I agree its J. gold so lets just jam it in and see but thats not how mr.B got to the top of the game.
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Re: HSP $500,000
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Quote from: Alex Martin on November 07, 2007, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: MKKfish on November 07, 2007, 07:36:06 AM
Sorry I know it's Brunson but if you ain't gonna call Gold with hand you may as well stand up and leave now.
Hmmmm. Disagree. If you think you have the worst hand, folding is a good plan right? That way you train your instaincts and improve as a player. I agree its J. gold so lets just jam it in and see but thats not how mr.B got to the top of the game.
Brunson made the correct read, he was just unlucky he folded the better hand.
Gold was loving his hand and felt he had the winner, Brunson picked up on that and made the laydown.
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dazzaster
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Re: HSP $500,000
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November 07, 2007, 04:52:35 PM »
Brunson made the correct read, he was just unlucky he folded the better hand.
Gold was loving his hand and felt he had the winner, Brunson picked up on that and made the laydown.
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Absolutely agree..
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Re: HSP $500,000
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November 07, 2007, 09:32:37 PM »
Totally agree with above, class laydown by Doyle.
He strongly felt Gold could only have had 1 of 3 hands. And 2 of those beat him. Its jus unfortunate he had the one hand he could beat. And he knows Golds gona bet millions on the river. (well, thousands).
Really loved the episode, enjoyed antonios return, just get Negreanu involved in 3 weeks and itll be amazing.
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November 07, 2007, 10:34:18 PM »
I'm not convinced it can be termed a 'class laydown'. The simple fact is that Doyle put him on the wrong hand and missed out on the opportunity to double through for 1 mil. Gold could easily have a smaller flush there, and judging by the way the hand played out, I feel a smaller one than Doyle's is more likely.
If it were the other way around, I'm sure we'd all be lambasted Gold for folding the superior hand.
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November 07, 2007, 11:03:03 PM »
Quote from: snoopy1239 on November 07, 2007, 10:34:18 PM
I'm not convinced it can be termed a 'class laydown'. The simple fact is that Doyle put him on the wrong hand and missed out on the opportunity to double through for 1 mil. Gold could easily have a smaller flush there, and judging by the way the hand played out, I feel a smaller one than Doyle's is more likely.
If it were the other way around, I'm sure we'd all be lambasted Gold for folding the superior hand.
I think if Doyle had made the call though, that would have been world class based on the money involved.
I think Doyle figured if he was playing he was playing for a million bucks, he did'nt have that much invested compared to te stakes at that time and probably felt it was marginal. He had a read that Gold was strong it was was more likely he was behind than in front. So maybe you cant call it a 'class laydown' but still the right play based on the info he had.
I don't think we would have lambasted Gold.
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November 07, 2007, 11:51:56 PM »
The Doyle/Gold hand was probably the most interesting, when he passed I was like wtf did he really just do that.
I can understand when he did that, as Gold must be the biggest tellbox i have ever seen. I mean im no genius when it comes to tells but he is giving so much away to experienced live pros with his incessant speech play. Gold was acting super strong and it is just a case of whether how smaller a range you could put him on, to be honest his whole range is probably made up of made flushes. So its just a case of how many beat you given Gold would be playing on 2 spades i don't like the laydown but its a tricky one.
Interesting table, there are some soft spots the Cirque du Soleil guy, Farha and Gold but also some real top class players in Brunson, Greenstein, Antonius and Estanfandari (who has impressed the most in HSP so far with a very solid NLHE cash game).
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November 08, 2007, 12:38:12 AM »
Quote from: Longy on November 07, 2007, 11:51:56 PM
The Doyle/Gold hand was probably the most interesting, when he passed I was like wtf did he really just do that.
I can understand when he did that, as Gold must be the biggest tellbox i have ever seen. I mean im no genius when it comes to tells but he is giving so much away to experienced live pros with his incessant speech play. Gold was acting super strong and it is just a case of whether how smaller a range you could put him on, to be honest his whole range is probably made up of made flushes. So its just a case of how many beat you given Gold would be playing on 2 spades i don't like the laydown but its a tricky one.
Interesting table, there are some
soft spots
the Cirque du Soleil guy,
Farha
and Gold but also some real top class players in Brunson, Greenstein, Antonius and Estanfandari (who has impressed the most in HSP so far with a very solid NLHE cash game).
wtf?
with these deepstacks Farha's one of the most dangerous players in the world and most difficult to play against because of his hand range.
Farha's world class both cash and tournament but tilts hard and has been tilted this season by some sick beats including $250,000 pot AQ vs AQ, but from what i saw this episode he's making some pretty disciplined folds and is unaffected by whats happend in the series thus far.
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November 08, 2007, 01:02:54 AM »
Well maybe you know more than me Bolt, but from everything I have read and seen Farha is a complete donator in the big NLHE games. Now if we are talking omaha Sammy's consider to be world class.
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November 08, 2007, 01:21:55 AM »
Based on what we've seen on the High Stakes Poker highlights, he's a terrible Hold'em high limit cash game player.
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November 08, 2007, 01:40:31 AM »
Ive seen him play some great high stakes NLHE.
Farha's got the world class NLHE game imo but allows tilt, boredom and his propensity to gamble to overshadow his ability unlike players like gold who in the future may improve at the moment can only play at a certain level and does look quite soft.
If i was Antonius or greenstien with the stacks so deep i think Farha is the player i'd find it most difficult to play against because of his unreadable playing range and underlying world class ability you dont know what kind of Farha you're going to come up against, i know he's played some donkish poker so far in the series and if he'd insta called with the mug end of the straight on the river when the amature guy reraised although its a pretty standard pass i'd be inclined to agree that he was still tilting and therefore maybe one of the softer players but he insta folded, didnt seemed to disconcerted or indignant and went on to make some disciplined preflop folds which makes me think hes fresh and ready to play some world class deep stack poker.
The point about Farha i'm trying to make(badly
) is that IMO he gets to chose whether or not he wants to play world class poker when he wakes up in the morning or if he wants to allow other things to determine what game he plays whereas other very good players will only ever reach a certain level without having his ability that more often than not doesn't utilize because he likes a speil, but with these stacks and after seeing that 1st episode he'll be dangerous
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Re: HSP $500,000
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November 08, 2007, 05:58:12 AM »
Regarding the Doyle v Jamie Gold hand I thought it was rather interesting as well. Doyle read him for a super strong hand and was correct in that respect and I thought it was a very good laydown irrespective of the fact he was ahead in the hand.
I don't think Jamie Gold gets as much credit as he deserves, this whole series he has played very well in my opinion and is showing he can hang in there with the big boys. He has a lot of guts and will follow through on his reads despite lacking as much technical expertise as say the likes of Patrick Antonious and Antonio Esfandiari for example.
As for the rest, the Cirque de Soleil guy is loose and passive so will end up a loser i'm sure and everybody seems to know where they are with him. I think Farha will end up losing as he has played very poorly so far and his supposed bluffing power will be no match for the big guns imo although I agree that he could become the toughest of the lot to play against if he's on his game. Hopefully we will see Patrick and Antonio kick into gear on the next episode as they are the best 2 players at the table I think.
It's bad enough waiting for the next episode never mind a "cliffhanger"! Would love it if this was a 2 hour show as well, bring on the next episode!
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Longy
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November 08, 2007, 11:42:48 AM »
Quote from: JP on November 08, 2007, 05:58:12 AM
Regarding the Doyle v
Jamie
Gold
hand I thought it was rather I don't think
Jamie
Gold
gets as much credit as he deserves, this whole series he has played very well in my opinion and is showing he can hang in there with the big boys. He has a lot of guts and will follow through on his reads despite lacking as much technical expertise as say the likes of Patrick Antonious and
Antonio
Esfandiari
for example.
I beg to differ regarding Gold there have been at least 4 occasions in this series where he has missed out on some very obv river value bets that given his image would have almost certainly got paid. I have almost been shouting at the screen "ffs bet you idiot", i think it has cost him about $50k.
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