Are Foxes Dangerous?

[madasahatstand]

Ive hunted foxes in the past with my Grandad, who is/was a gamekeeper... Foxes caused him mayhem, if they broke into one of his pheasant pens they'd kill at least 20/30 pheasants, while eating only 2/3 of these, the rest he would be find dead in the morning... When you consider each pheasant to him represents £20-£25 and it was his livelihood, i dont think he thought twice about 'getting rid' of them...

Things have changed now obviously, but now i'm a little older i can see how some ppl view this as cruel...

we should ban mother nature. foxes eating birds? Its a scandal!! its like my australian cousins who see kangaroos as a pest because they eat grass. humans are so selfish that they want to control everyting including the breeding and slaughter of animals. we decide on what the pests are and we decide what animals get the chop. im not critising you or your grandad but this just brings out some strong emotions in me that humans are selfish, self centred b****** an cant stop trying to control nature. foxes are wonderful creatures and i hear them calling to each other often from where i live and they know each other and will help each other. my mum used to feed this 3 legged fox that came to her garden every night. an urban fox pushed out of the country by house builders.  i dont give a shit if they involve themselves in survival such as killing to eat but breeding birds for profit its not a living i would even consider. not even for a split second. this is the modern day and dont believe we need to kill at all.   sorry i wwent on one a bit but foxes dont need to be feared. they keep out of our way and dont generally come near humans. they kill other animals because they need to. we kill animals because we want to, not because we need to survive

[Ironside]

they kill other animals because they need to.

if thats all they did i would be against fox hunting. but its not so i am.

foxes will slaughter a whole hen coup to get 1 or 2 chickens
then the next night they will have to go find somewhere else to find food as they have killed all the chickens in one night

[madasahatstand]

they kill other animals because they need to.

if thats all they did i would be against fox hunting. but its not so i am.

foxes will slaughter a whole hen coup to get 1 or 2 chickens
then the next night they will have to go find somewhere else to find food as they have killed all the chickens in one night

well forgive the fox for its instinct..........................................................as for the birds, keep them more secure or dont farm them for a living:) simple!

[Ironside]

they kill other animals because they need to.

if thats all they did i would be against fox hunting. but its not so i am.

foxes will slaughter a whole hen coup to get 1 or 2 chickens
then the next night they will have to go find somewhere else to find food as they have killed all the chickens in one night

well forgive the fox for its instinct..........................................................as for the birds, keep them more secure or dont farm them for a living:) simple!

some of us like meat just like some people like eating that green stuff that grows in the ground
each person can make there choice

as for the chicken keeping them somewhere more secure would be a crime against the chickens
have you seen the hen houses that some countries still use
they keep the chickens out of danger but the chickens dont even have roon to flap there wings
and many chickens are trampled to death

[madasahatstand]

they kill other animals because they need to.

if thats all they did i would be against fox hunting. but its not so i am.

foxes will slaughter a whole hen coup to get 1 or 2 chickens
then the next night they will have to go find somewhere else to find food as they have killed all the chickens in one night

well forgive the fox for its instinct..........................................................as for the birds, keep them more secure or dont farm them for a living:) simple!

some of us like meat just like some people like eating that green stuff that grows in the ground
each person can make there choice

as for the chicken keeping them somewhere more secure would be a crime against the chickens
have you seen the hen houses that some countries still use
they keep the chickens out of danger but the chickens dont even have roon to flap there wings
and many chickens are trampled to death

C'mon Iron, is there no happy medium? Give the birds as much room as you want and you can still keep them safe. I agree we all make our own choices. I wonder how many people wound rear a chicken, ring its neck, gut and pluck it then eat it? Not many ill bet. The majority of humans dont like to think about the process by which 'meat'  gets to them on their plate.  Its just food after all isnt it?

[Ironside]

i've had to kill a chicken and cook it but never rear it first.

there is a happy medium give the birds the room they need to lead a happy life

and keep the old infirmed foxes away from them

the young foxes dont go looking for chickens and lambs as they can hunt there natural prey

[madasahatstand]

i've had to kill a chicken and cook it but never rear it first.

there is a happy medium give the birds the room they need to lead a happy life

and keep the old infirmed foxes away from them

the young foxes dont go looking for chickens and lambs as they can hunt there natural prey

Ive reared some carrots, skinned, topped and tailed them, then got the grater out. Is was nasty business but I was so hungry I had to do the deed:) lol

As you didnt rear the bird, there was less emotion when you looked into its frightened eyes before doing your deed. Although I would never support the killing of animals, I'm impressed you did it but then again you are tough army bloke that requires to have survival skills. Was this part of your training?

[Ironside]

yep

they even made me eat sprouts once

[madasahatstand]

yep

they even made me eat sprouts once

Impressive:)

[brad.strider]

the reason foxes go for the chickens is that those nice farmers cut off the chickens wings so they cant fly, then they put them in a big pen, this is almost entrapment against the foxes, chickens natural habitat is up trees,in the wild were they come from they stay in trees at night and feed on the ground during the day, dont blame foxes for farmers stupidity, GO ON THE FOXES

[The_nun]

I used to have a pet fox...obviously called Basil, I hand reared it as the farmers gassed the rest of it's family, as farmers did then, once reared I let it roam free to learn to return to fox land. Now as it turned out Basil was a she and decided to take on a mate whom she brought home on a regular basis for a slap up Chappie meal for two, compliments of mummy Mo, always took on the bank of our garden in the sunrise. Now,  we had some neighbours who used to think they were the dogs bollocks in sickness and thought it would be fun to shoot Basil at short range through the head, then lead me on a wild goose chase to where they had buried her ...in pup...Needless to say mummy Mo went n dug her up and gave her a burial to remember under the apple tree of life at Stoke On Tern. I recall this part of my life as a part that woke me up to cruelty, ( I know foxes hunt to kill in order to survive but these folk never had any animals except half starved dogs so they had no justified reason to kill, and who doesn't kill to survive, we as humans get abattoirs to do our dirty work ).

[KingPoker]

I have some interesting statistics on hunting but unfortunately im bound under the Official Secrets Act 

[The_nun]

I have some interesting stats too   on slaughter houses , from personel experience ..it was "quicker" to kill the cows without using the protective equipment supplied to make it less painfull shall we say, stun then slit or just sllit..until the ministry came around to do there periodic checks..then obviously they  used to stun first.But saying that I seem to recall some sort of rubber ends being removed? Anyone expand here? Needless to say I only worked there for a short period.

[kinboshi]

Then there's halal and kosher meat - now that is cruel.

[Ironside]

cruel is kev forcing ginger to marry him