Appropriate Sentence ??

[AdamM]

With respect Laz, We've all seen you. you're a massive dude.

Life's a lot more dangerous when you're 5'9" and 12st and even more so when you're a 5'2" 7st lady

[lazaroonie]

i would suggest that when someone is pounding away at yer face with a pool queue, then being large doesnt make much difference

but anyway, its an interesting topic, but as you say, way off topic.

[thetank]

I wonder if the severity of the sentence had anything to do with the judge being a big fan of the game?

Perhaps Rhys Garfield is doing 6 months for stomping, and 9 more for bringing Rugby into disrepute.

[bolt pp]

crap sentence, It's getting to the point where you cant have a decent after pub ruck without having to worry about getting 2+ years in jail, what they used to call affray is now GBH, its getting silly.

I feel sorry for all the boys that are on steroids, thats a proper commitment to physical training and what good is it doing if you're getting these stupidly exaggerated sentences, thats why everyone gets tooled up, you cant have a straight ruck anymore.

its the binge drinking culture thats ruining everything for all the purists out there that go out have a good night out and a proper ruck afterwards now the old Bill are coming down heavy cos all the Muppet's getting slaughtered and rolling around with eachother on the street so that the documentary camera crew get some good footage for a dissaproving trevor mcdonald to rebuke.

and what makes me laugh about mcdonald is that make in the Caribbean he was a yardie but a load of gear went missing and thats when he cut his hair and came over here, how hypocritical is what he's doing now?

[Ironside]

i've been beat up by 3 para's once the fact i got beat up dispite being trained wasnt anything to so with the fact they were better than me it was the fact there was 3 of them

the only thing my training did was allow me to remain calm in the situtation and proctect myself so i didnt suffer any serious injury

martial arts wont help you WIN if you get into a postion where you are attacked by a supieror force
it will allow you to remain calm and protect yourself from serious harm

rugby training helps you protect yourself from serious injury in a scrum or ruck

fighting to inflict injury is stupid and something that most people grow out of i know i have

[kinboshi]

crap sentence, It's getting to the point where you cant have a decent after pub ruck without having to worry about getting 2+ years in jail, what they used to call affray is now GBH, its getting silly.

I feel sorry for all the boys that are on steroids, thats a proper commitment to physical training and what good is it doing if you're getting these stupidly exaggerated sentences, thats why everyone gets tooled up, you cant have a straight ruck anymore.

its the binge drinking culture thats ruining everything for all the purists out there that go out have a good night out and a proper ruck afterwards now the old Bill are coming down heavy cos all the Muppet's getting slaughtered and rolling around with eachother on the street so that the documentary camera crew get some good footage for a dissaproving trevor mcdonald to rebuke.

and what makes me laugh about mcdonald is that make in the Caribbean he was a yardie but a load of gear went missing and thats when he cut his hair and came over here, how hypocritical is what he's doing now?

Bolty for MP

[AdamM]

i've been beat up by 3 para's once the fact i got beat up dispite being trained wasnt anything to so with the fact they were better than me it was the fact there was 3 of them

the only thing my training did was allow me to remain calm in the situtation and proctect myself so i didnt suffer any serious injury

martial arts wont help you WIN if you get into a postion where you are attacked by a supieror force
it will allow you to remain calm and protect yourself from serious harm

rugby training helps you protect yourself from serious injury in a scrum or ruck

fighting to inflict injury is stupid and something that most people grow out of i know i have

My training did the same for me when I was attacked. Once I'd got myself in a situation where 3 guys were thumping me in the back of the head that's all it was ever going to do.

Good self protection martial arts should deal with conflict avoidance, situational awareness and negotiation as much as it deals with striking techniques. The intention should be that all striking is done as a last resort but also pre-emtively

[The_duke]

The intention should be that all striking is done as a last resort but also pre-emtively

Yes thats right get your retaliation in first.....

[AdamM]

pretty much

The fight has started long before the first punch is thrown.
It can also be won or lost before the first punch is thrown.

This is tenuously linked to the original question actually.

There's a very fine line walked by self protection martial artists.
Pre-emtive striking is very tricky to justify in court. The law isn't particularly clear on what constitutes 'reasonable force'

If me or one of my students finds ourself in a situation where we feel we have to resort to violence to protect ourself we have to be aware that, as the Rugger player in the OP found, actions invariably have consequences.

It's at that point I call on character witnesses in the form of the policeman and prison officers who I train and hope that's enough.

[Geo the Sarge]

pretty much

The fight has started long before the first punch is thrown.
It can also be won or lost before the first punch is thrown.

This is tenuously linked to the original question actually.

There's a very fine line walked by self protection martial artists.
Pre-emtive striking is very tricky to justify in court. The law isn't particularly clear on what constitutes 'reasonable force'

If me or one of my students finds ourself in a situation where we feel we have to resort to violence to protect ourself we have to be aware that, as the Rugger player in the OP found, actions invariably have consequences.

It's at that point I call on character witnesses in the form of the policeman and prison officers who I train and hope that's enough.

(from experience, both working with and training) The very people who indulge in uneccessary thuggery and try to pass it off as "reasonable force"

Geo

[kinboshi]

pretty much

The fight has started long before the first punch is thrown.
It can also be won or lost before the first punch is thrown.

This is tenuously linked to the original question actually.

There's a very fine line walked by self protection martial artists.
Pre-emtive striking is very tricky to justify in court. The law isn't particularly clear on what constitutes 'reasonable force'

If me or one of my students finds ourself in a situation where we feel we have to resort to violence to protect ourself we have to be aware that, as the Rugger player in the OP found, actions invariably have consequences.

It's at that point I call on character witnesses in the form of the policeman and prison officers who I train and hope that's enough.

Alfie Lewis (quite a well known martial artist in Liverpool) had four people  looking to 'do him mischief', two approached him from the front and two from the back.  Instead of waiting to be hit, he punched the biggest one of his 'assailants', knocked him out and when his head hit the pavement the force killed him.

The court found him innocent of his charges, saying that he'd acted in self-defence and had used reasonable force.

[AdamM]

Alfie Lewis (quite a well known martial artist in Liverpool) had four people  looking to 'do him mischief', two approached him from the front and two from the back.  Instead of waiting to be hit, he punched the biggest one of his 'assailants', knocked him out and when his head hit the pavement the force killed him.

The court found him innocent of his charges, saying that he'd acted in self-defence and had used reasonable force.

a bit of rare justice.
There are similar stories where this has happened and the hero of the story has gone to prison.
It's a very fine line.

(from experience, both working with and training) The very people who indulge in uneccessary thuggery and try to pass it off as "reasonable force"

Geo

My policeman and Prison officers are good guys and girls.
There are thugs in all proffessions, but that doesn't make it typical

[b4matt]

If someone stands on my face when i refuse to roll away from the wrong side of a maul, they (and i) should be dealt with by the game, the police should be involved if it was obviously someone looking to cause me serious harm. - Custodial for that guy ? madness, ban him from rugby for a long period and community sentence, how does it benefit society if he goes to prison? However we don't know his previous and maybe there is reason to send him away.

At the same time this week a famous actor gets his 'long' sentence (only 10 months ffs) for downloading child pornography halved as it was too harsh? He is a paedophile and has been found guilty by a jury.

I have 4 kids, i want them to grow up as honest, kind, caring and thoughtful, I'll make them aware as i can of the dangers in life, i will teach them of the positives of education and communication, and i will encourage them in all sporting activities. There are better ways to solve violence than with more violence. Infact it makes it harder for the police to prosecute the bad guys.

Fighting has its place, in the right sporting context, never on the streets.

Old lady gets her bag snatched, a pedestrian sees it happen and trips up the offender as he runs past, he then sits on him and calls the police. Outcome- The offender gets 40 hours community service, the hero gets charged with assault by the cps and only gets dismissed when the judge throws out the case...

Training kids to fight do martial arts etc- fantastic, if its done for the right reasons- so they can learn to punch first against the bad guys?...I'm not sure. Any sport is good for kids, rugby is one of the best, and its a game that in the modern context is better than ever. I just hope the Brussels/PC brigade go gentle on all contact sports.

[AdamM]

Fighting has its place, in the right sporting context, never on the streets...

...Training kids to fight do martial arts etc- fantastic, if its done for the right reasons- so they can learn to punch first against the bad guys?...I'm not sure. Any sport is good for kids, rugby is one of the best, and its a game that in the modern context is better than ever. I just hope the Brussels/PC brigade go gentle on all contact sports.

you have to remember that Martial arts weren't designed for sport.
Adaptations of martial arts for sport can be very entertaining but have very little relevance to the business of protecting yourself on the streets.
I have a real issue with kickboxing / tai kwon do / sport karate clubs who claim to teach self defense then spend all their time teaching hook kicks, axe kicks, spinning back kicks and all that jazz.