LIVE - £30 Rebuy exit hand - 2 from the money.

[temp0r]

Gala Birmingham.
£30 with 1 rebuy. we have £60 invested.

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7 players left. blinds at 1k/2k (20 min clock)

UTG - ROCK - 20k limps in
UTG1 - 35k folds
UTG2 - TAG - 40k - limps in.
UTG3 - 18k folds
Button - 20k folds
SB - HERO - 23k left - solid image - we limp.
BB - ROCK - 20k left - checks option.

Pot = 8k

we have 
with 21k back

FLOP

 

Q1: CHECK/BET/ALL IN - WHY?

say we bet 6k. the BB and ROCK fold. now the TAG puts us all-in.

Pot is 35k. we have 15k back.

Q2: CALL/FOLD - WHY?

Q3: DO WE MUCK PREFLOP?

[UpTheMariners]

if i play this i prob check raise all in, you never know you might get a free card. now that you've bet i fold he's more than likely got a9 which puts you in bad shape with just 8 outs for around 7/2 on your money. i muck preflop as your not deep enough but m3 might tell you otherwise 

[TheChipPrince]

I would never lead out on the flop here, not with these stack sizes, unless you push it all in... Check re-raise all-in, or check fold for me...

[Longy]

I like check raise all in here, we might get a free card, it looks super strong and therefore has fold equity with it. The other options lead to worse situations being called and being faced with a blank turn and pot-sized bet behind. Or we get raised and are pot committed with the worst hand.

As played we have to call our hand is 2 to 1 to hit, we are getting odds so call.

[boldie]

I would never lead out on the flop here, not with these stack sizes, unless you push it all in... Check re-raise all-in, or check fold for me...

I agree..except it's never a check fold for me.

I hate leading out on the flop here I really do you ave no control oer what happens.

For me, as played, it's a call. I'm not interested in the 100£ but only in a top2 finish here. (third would send me home happy enough) so I can't fold here now.

[MKKfish]

Whaaat....? Bet out here and you invite the raise, (bluff or otherwise), for me it's as plain as the day is long that you check then call a small raise or dependant on your read of the bettor you check/raise - personally I like the check/all in semi. If it checks all round take the free card and go from there.

Much like Ironside's thread, (where I'm getting battered), I don't understand how/why peeps are making moves that reduce their options.

[temp0r]

if i play this i prob check raise all in, you never know you might get a free card. now that you've bet i fold he's more than likely got a9 which puts you in bad shape with just 8 outs for around 7/2 on your money. i muck preflop as your not deep enough but m3 might tell you otherwise 

well you sure did hit that one on the head...

he flipped A9 and held. i called obv!

basically this was the first mistake i made all night. hit fuckall. hardly showed down a hand all night. then this. i'm putting it down to playing too much cash of late and too few mtts. as on that ragedy a flop i probably lead with that hand against those oppos in NL cash. a couple of months ago when i still played donkaments on a daily basis i'd of folded preflop. sigh. 

[TEX FITZ]

Q1. wtf am i doing in this hand oop ?

[boldie]

Q1. wtf am i doing in this hand oop ?

answer; 7-1 your money.

[LuckyLloyd]

Bet 6k and call a shove; or push every turn if you are just called.

Preflop shoving all in or folding is better than calling.

[TEX FITZ]

OK its 7-1 but when a rock limps UTG then a TAG in MP limps, to me it stinks of strength, especially this stage of tourny. Why not sit and watch the fireworks post-flop.

[boldie]

A Rock who limps under the gun when he only has 10BB's doesn't stink of strenght to me..it positively reeks of someone who's afraid to get his chips in the middle and generally a poor/scared player.
A TAG who limps when he's got plenty chips means anything from an Ace to KQ suited..definetly not of strength or he would have raised with it.

[TEX FITZ]

i dunno boldie, i still smell a trap. Now that TAG has position on the board i would be wary leading out

I don't think ROCK & TAG are limping into the money, they're after topspot - they want every chip at the table - to achieve that they need chips on the table, any raise pre would surely frighten them away.

maybe i'm looking the wrong way about it but i would be very suspicious here

[LuckyLloyd]

Oh and everyone - don't get too caught up in the definitions of Rock and TAG. They are both limping into a pot where the effective stacks are 10 BBs so they are probably not very good. Just tightish and bad.

[temp0r]

sorry tex but thats just... wrong. did i not mention this is brum gala? lol.