There was a tough ruling to make..........

[turny]

Ruling Main event


Ok ill play this situation out as i saw .


2 players in the hand and action is finished , I am called to the table and cards are face over and action complete no pots rewarded yet AA vs 55 ! 5 hits flop and holds up on the board

A player not in the hand has called me and said that 2 burn cards are on the table not 3. He is adament it was the first burn missed but the dealer cannot clarify this for me so i have to take the dealers word .

As i was not sure of which stage the burn was missed the River card must be taken as the card missed and now the river card is taken as the last burn card missed and the next card from the top of the deck is the river card . Problem is the A comes out giving the AA the pot

When this happens it means that regardless of what stage of the betting the 8th card in the deck was always coming so in truth the Ace should have always been coming on the river

In this situation that occurred the players had to accept the ruling made which i was checking with Luke from the fitzwilliam during the ruling to be sure .

The main point of the ruling is that the dealer not the player was not sure of where the mistake had occurred and the acion had gone on too far to bring it back .

I have asked the opinion of people in the biz who are here and there is differing opions the player who won the pot is a respected Gjp Dealer and Director and agreed with me that it was a horrible decision to have to make and he was unsure how to rule but i had to make it in the fairness of both players which i could see fit . To be fair to both players they accepted teh ruling and the hand moved on

As it was so nasty we sponsored the losing player into the €250 event

The good point of all this is that the player was mark Lassman and cashed for €2,000 in the €250 event and this made my weekend

Neill K
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a great jesture by the organisors 

[GlasgowBandit]

I think looking over the posts Neil has made a sensible ruling, if it is not clear what burn card is missing then I agreed that we have to proceed on the basis that its the last card.

Would it have been an alternative to put all the cards back in the eck and reshuffle and re-deal flop, turn and river?  Your still giving both players an equal chance that way.

I had a similar situation happen in a home game once and this was the action we took.

[M3boy]

im sure neil is a great td but im also sure theres a number of td's here in england that do as good a job who have the eyes of head office upon them when making rulings thus making it alot harder.

i make all the rulings at our weekly game as im the td for that and in my opinion i get every decision right. that doesnt mean my decisions are correct its just that i believe them to be.

i have the advantage of no one looking over me so i can make the decision thats needed without fear of retribute from above a luxury not many td's in casinos have.

until a uniform set of rules are adhered to problems and differences from venue to venue will persist.

I was commenting on the "whole package" of a TD - ie the running of the tournament NOT just making rulings. It was on par (or even better!) than tournaments I have played in Vegas.

NO tournament I have played in the UK comes anywhere close to how well run this comp was, not even close!

[quagmire]

im sure neil is a great td but im also sure theres a number of td's here in england that do as good a job who have the eyes of head office upon them when making rulings thus making it alot harder.

i make all the rulings at our weekly game as im the td for that and in my opinion i get every decision right. that doesnt mean my decisions are correct its just that i believe them to be.

i have the advantage of no one looking over me so i can make the decision thats needed without fear of retribute from above a luxury not many td's in casinos have.

until a uniform set of rules are adhered to problems and differences from venue to venue will persist.

I was commenting on the "whole package" of a TD - ie the running of the tournament NOT just making rulings. It was on par (or even better!) than tournaments I have played in Vegas.

NO tournament I have played in the UK comes anywhere close to how well run this comp was, not even close!

Hi this is my first post on this site and i was lucky (or unlucky which ever way you look at it) enough to play all 3 events at Waterford and i have to agree with M3 that this was the best festival i have entered by a country mile, from the word go Niell made us feel welcome and after a couple of emails prior to the weekend he knew who we were by name and made a point of having a chat before the competition, i know of no other TD that has ever done this. The running commentries throughout the tournament were first class and the odd one liners thrown in for good measure. I will definately be playing this festival again next year and look forward to catching up with everyone i met again.

Message of hello to Snatiramas and how was Eddie Rockets on Sunday night.......?

[turny]

i think everyones misunderstanding my post.

i never suggested neil wasn't a great td im sure he is just saying that theres some good tds around the country that have bigger restraints on them than niel.

hopefully will be able to see niels superb td'ing in february when il hopefully be in waterford

[MKKfish]

Ironic that the 5 was the erroneous first card on flop and the A the corrected river..