Can he do this

[Graham C]

This happened twice with the same person In the last APAT regional event at the Vic.

First time, Matey had raised preflop, all folds to someone else who moves all in.  Fold back to Matey and he thinks, then turns his cards over and looks to get a reaction from the other player.

Second time, I think he was in the big blind.  All folds to a raise all in before him, fold to him, then again, he turns his cards over and starts to think about what to do.

Both times there was only the two people in the pot, everyone else has folded.

Is he allowed to show his cards to try and get a reaction?

[boldie]

i don't know about the rules at APAT but I personally don't see the harm as there is no more action to go. Having said that I think most places have it as a nono.

[Ironside]

no

he has been watching too much jamie gold winning his way to wsop 2006

its ok in some cash games but never in a tourny

[Paullie_D]

As with most things in poker...it depends. Most places will let you do it...some won't.

Certainly, as long as there no action behind him then he can (if permitted)...if there is still action to come then his hand is dead (IIRC).

Personally, I think it's a 'Hollywood'/'Look at me, aren't I a clever clogs' play for the TV generation.

[Paullie_D]

i don't know about the rules at APAT but I personally don't see the harm as there is no more action to go. Having said that I think most places have it as a nono.

APAT Rule 69:

A player who exposes his or her cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his or her hand killed.

[Jon MW]

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Personally, I think it's a 'Hollywood'/'Look at me, aren't I a clever clogs' play for the TV generation.

I agree, I don't think it does any harm if there's no more action, but I don't like it because they're not going to get a read - they're just doing it for effect.

Did he end up calling either of the all ins?

And what did he have if he did?

[boldie]

i don't know about the rules at APAT but I personally don't see the harm as there is no more action to go. Having said that I think most places have it as a nono.

APAT Rule 69:

A player who exposes his or her cards during the play may incur a penalty, but will not have his or her hand killed.

there ya go. thanks for looking it up Paulie

[Claw75]

I don't like it - If I was the person who had gone all in and the other person turned their cards over without acting, I would presume they had folded face up and may well chuck my own cards in the muck.  What would the ruling be if that happened?

[Graham C]

I think you'd have just chucked your hand away Claire missed out.

I don't like it either, I think it's trying to get an unfair advantage.  Not sure that the hand should be declared dead though, perhaps it should be taken as a call.

Can't remember what he had.  I think he had AT once, the BB one.  I think in both instances he folded.  I can't even remember that to be honest   I've slept since then, but I was thinking about it last night and wondered if it were allowed or not.

[TightEnd]

Just out of interest, whaty do people think of the APAT rule? Would you like it changed to not allow such a move?

[Jon MW]

... I think in both instances he folded...

This is what I would expect 99 times out of a 100. The only exception would be if he had a high pair or a big ace - i.e. hands that they would always call with anyway.

It's trying to say, "I'm a great reader of people, and I can tell you've got a really strong hand so I'll fold", but what it actually says is, "I watch to much telly".

[Graham C]

I'm not sure it does say I'm a great reader of people.  To me it says "I'm a bad reader of people so I'll try and get an advantage by showing you my hand to see if you make an obvious reaction, then I'll fold if I still can't tell"

If it's generally allowed in tournament poker then I think it should be left alone, but if you don't get away with it in the WSOP, then you shouldn't in APAT either.

[Jon MW]

Just out of interest, whaty do people think of the APAT rule? Would you like it changed to not allow such a move?

I'd prefer, "A player who exposes his or her cards during the play will incur a 15 minute penalty, but will not have his or her hand killed."

And ensure that the TD's always enforce it.

[Graham C]

ensure that the TD's always enforce it.

Therein lies the problem at the APAT regionals.  I got the feeling they were looking forward to us leaving last time, can't seem them enforcing something that will make the tourney last even longer.

[boldie]

Just out of interest, whaty do people think of the APAT rule? Would you like it changed to not allow such a move?

I'd prefer, "A player who exposes his or her cards during the play will incur a 15 minute penalty, but will not have his or her hand killed."

And ensure that the TD's always enforce it.

I'd agree with that.