Big Sam for England...

[Rooky9]

Newcastle can't keep going through managers as often as the X10 through the tyne tunnel but we also can't get anywhere without the whole club being UNITED. The England job would be an ideal way out for all (except England perhaps!).

For some reason a large section of Newcastle fans didn't take to him on appointment and his decisions in the job have turned another huge chunk against him. Alan Smith continuing to be immune from being dropped even when playing out of position and showing it. Geremi full stop.  Replacing the most threatening players when giving in and bringing the form players on. Seemingly not realising that the quality of player at his disposal is not able to adapt to varying formations.

The atmosphere around the club makes me fell dirty and sick inside, and I can't see how it can be retrieved.  I took to the option of revision and let my parent go together today, rather than attend the game myself, which was unheard of - even through some terrible post Keegan years. Ideally for me a change in form could lead to a gradual reuniting - but I'm not convinced there will be time for it.

Second best option would be for him to go to England and let a Shearer + a recognised coaching team come in. Every manager is going to be under Shearer's influence, giving them a mountain to climb before they even start.

Thirdly, Jose Mourino - locked up job at Barca next year, clause preventing English club management, a desire to be challenging for top honours, and an arrogant idiot aside - he's a winner.

There are many comparisons between Newcastle and England's current situation, both need to find a common realistic goal and a figure that everyone is willing to get behind.

[Nem]

I watched the game this afternoon and I have to say that your fans :"The best fans in the world™" are an absolute disgrace.

[Rooky9]

I think the most used term is loyalest as opposed to best. You could probably build a case at the moment. Disgrace is well over the top though.

Having said all that, there's no other club packing out a stadium of our size like we do to watch crap season on season with no 'success'.

You can't question a Newcastle fans loyalty to the club, thats ridiculous - the support to the team and the manager could be better at the moment and at times in the past.

[Colchester Kev]

I think the most used term is loyalest as opposed to best. You could probably build a case at the moment. Disgrace is well over the top though.

Having said all that, there's no other club packing out a stadium of our size like we do to watch crap season on season with no 'success'.

You can't question a Newcastle fans loyalty to the club, thats ridiculous - the support to the team and the manager could be better at the moment and at times in the past.

You also cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ... me and Nem know that only too well.

I support Spurs, and whoever is in the hot seat .. (George Grahem Excepted obv.)

what the fk do Geordies expect, give him 2 seasons before you lynch the big man.

[kinboshi]

Newcastle were especially poor today.  Made Liverpool and that Steven Gerrard look good.

Allardyce got a lot of things wrong, and his substitutions didn't help.

[TightEnd]

Newcastle are still paying the price for years of poor transfer spending that has left them with a squad that lacks depth for when their few quality players are out or not performing

Must admit I was a bit baffled by the decision not to start Milner, who I think is talented, and persist with Smith on the wing

That said, the reaction today was extremely fickle

Got to give him time to work with the players and strengthen the squad with types of players that will play his way

Probably still some remnants of that awful team spirit, fighting and the rest that existed in the dressing room over the past 1-3 years too..when the going gets tough this bunch of players don't get going for each other!

[Rooky9]

Fickle isn't the right word. that would imply that at some point Newcastle fans have turned on him. I don't think the majority were ever behind him. It also implies that the team has been turned on after one poor performance - also far from the truth.

Poor Transfers....

Jose Enrique - 6m. Doesn't look like he could play sunday league.
Alan Smith - 6m. An average striker, not a goal scorer. 100%'er who will be suspended every 5 games.
Rosenal - 3m. Looks like he can play one week. The next EVERYONE can walk past him - even Sissoko.
Geremi. ?m Awful. Truly awful.
Barton. 6m. I know he can play i have seen it, but in blue. Needs to find form quickly to warrent putting up with him being a liability in every other respect.

all of these were his signings and match any poor signing we've had in the past (Marcelino and Bramble excluded), I'm not sure they'd ever be able to be cobbled together into a European team.

I blame Kenny Dagliesh for all my footballing trauma!!!

What do the Geordie fans expect, pride, passion, honour and fight in the performance. Rational decisions from the manager. All of which were missing today on the back of a spanking from Portsmouth.

[dan]

I think the most used term is loyalest as opposed to best. You could probably build a case at the moment. Disgrace is well over the top though.

Having said all that, there's no other club packing out a stadium of our size like we do to watch crap season on season with no 'success'.

You can't question a Newcastle fans loyalty to the club, thats ridiculous - the support to the team and the manager could be better at the moment and at times in the past.

You also cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear ... me and Nem know that only too well.

I support Spurs, and whoever is in the hot seat .. (George Grahem Excepted obv.)

what the fk do Geordies expect, give him 2 seasons before you lynch the big man.

LOL, the last manager to win a trophy for Spurs

[AndrewT]

I think the most used term is loyalest as opposed to best. You could probably build a case at the moment. Disgrace is well over the top though.

Having said all that, there's no other club packing out a stadium of our size like we do to watch crap season on season with no 'success'.

You can't question a Newcastle fans loyalty to the club, thats ridiculous - the support to the team and the manager could be better at the moment and at times in the past.

And where were all these loyalest of fans when you were in the old Second Division in 1990/91 and had an average attendance of under 17,000?

[Rooky9]

I think the most used term is loyalest as opposed to best. You could probably build a case at the moment. Disgrace is well over the top though.

Having said all that, there's no other club packing out a stadium of our size like we do to watch crap season on season with no 'success'.

You can't question a Newcastle fans loyalty to the club, thats ridiculous - the support to the team and the manager could be better at the moment and at times in the past.

And where were all these loyalest of fans when you were in the old Second Division in 1990/91 and had an average attendance of under 17,000?

I'm sure i've had that discussion with Nem on here before - and too many times with my mates. We have the fifth highest number of people through our gates of all time! Fact.

If you have access to all these stats I would love to see them. 17,000 for the second division in a stadium not designed for familes sounds decent to me. Take the gate trends then map them against the decline of industry in the area or unemployment. I expect corrolation and causation to show.

[TightEnd]

Indeed, I remember travelling to an away game at St James Park in the early 1990s and rather than stand at the end opposite the Gallowgate having my pick of seats in the wing section of the then newest stand

[AndrewT]

I think the most used term is loyalest as opposed to best. You could probably build a case at the moment. Disgrace is well over the top though.

Having said all that, there's no other club packing out a stadium of our size like we do to watch crap season on season with no 'success'.

You can't question a Newcastle fans loyalty to the club, thats ridiculous - the support to the team and the manager could be better at the moment and at times in the past.

And where were all these loyalest of fans when you were in the old Second Division in 1990/91 and had an average attendance of under 17,000?

I'm sure i've had that discussion with Nem on here before - and too many times with my mates. We have the fifth highest number of people through our gates of all time! Fact.

If you have access to all these stats I would love to see them. 17,000 for the second division in a stadium not designed for familes sounds decent to me. Take the gate trends then map them against the decline of industry in the area or unemployment. I expect corrolation and causation to show.

http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufchistory/nufcattendancerecords.shtml

Newcastle soon started winning and the attendances doubled. Man City averaged over 28,000 when they were in the third division.

[Nem]

I'm sure i've had that discussion with Nem on here before - and too many times with my mates. We have the fifth highest number of people through our gates of all time! Fact.

I wouldn't mind seeing the source - not that I doubt you, just to see who the top 4 are?

[Acidmouse]

lol at game today, should have been 10-0

[Rooky9]

Its the same table as you produced to me once...
http://www.nufc.com/2007-08html/attendance-all-time.html

It is over a year out of date though - but that would only really effect us moving closer to fourth.

Also this suprised me a little...
http://www.nufc.com/2007-08html/prem-all-time.html


Man City was completey different - they were more comparable to how Leeds are now. A completely different situation.

According to those stats the results went down (we finished 20th following the 11th in the one year that has been selected with a lower average!!!) and the attendance went up!! As I remember Keegan came along too late in that season for it to be that.

In 1947 we average 56,000 in the old second divison!!