Beginners Q

[SKIPPYSKIP]

How do you calculate how many OUTS you have, been reading few books cant get my head around it?

[jezza777]

Hi, welcome to blonde,


Probably the best way of counting outs is to use the example of a flush draw. If you have  2 spades in your hand and there are 2 on the flop you then need one spade to make a flush on the turn or river. So you have 9 outs (the other spades left in the deck) You start with a whole suit of 13 cards , you know where 4 are so there are 9 you can hit.

Hope this helps - if not let me know

[SKIPPYSKIP]

Thanks Jezza.

So you count the outs for the hand you are playing for to win?

[Ironside]

yes you count the CLEAN outs you have for the hand your playing to win

remembering some cards will improve your oppos hand aswell as yours

so its card that will make your hand the winning hand

[tikay]

Try the "rule of 4" skippy.

Count your winning outs on the flop. Say, you are 4 to the flush, and you believe that if you hit the flush, you will win, you have 9 outs to hit.

Multiply 9 x 4 - 36, & turn that into a % - 36%. So you are, roughly, a 2/1 shot to hit/win.

12 outs, 12 x 4 = 48, = 48%, or roughly even money.

Now, of course, you must calculate the pot odds, this is an imperative, otherwise there is no point in knowing what your % chance of winning is. If you are 2/1 to hit, & are only getting even money, it's best left alone. Depending upon the circumstances, of course.

[suzanne]

OMG i always wanted to ask that question without looking silly...now im more confused 

[suzanne]

Then again tikey like to make woman dizzy 

[ifm]

simple really, do you know what you "outs" are?
if so multiply that amount by 4 and you have a rough percentage, if you miss on the turn then roughly double.

[suzanne]

I dont know how to do percentages but i suppose you get a gut feeling after a while and know when to chance your luck

[ifm]

you really NEED to have a rough estimate of your odds to call in a pot, no point putting your cash in as a big underdog.

[suzanne]

Okay maybe knowing percentages will help but in reality if you have an allin bluffer and ur pretty sure u got him just coz he calls everything and you think you got the edge...then what??

[ifm]

you need to know that if he is ahead you have outs to hit to win

[suzanne]

Yes i know what your saying..but..IMO (and i know im going to get grief for this) reading the players is more important. Okay i dont know how to work the stats and would not raise a hand without reasonable cards with various outs but is it really important to have the best odds??

[tikay]

If you think he's bluffing Suzanne, then you have to back your judgement, & ignore the odds. That's "proper poker"! Be careful he's not bluffing with the best hand though......

Hows the kids been today? No probs with shoes on the wrong feet?

xx

[The Baron]

Yes i know what your saying..but..IMO (and i know im going to get grief for this) reading the players is more important. Okay i dont know how to work the stats and would not raise a hand without reasonable cards with various outs but is it really important to have the best odds??

There are times when you call KNOWING you are behind (usually post flop), because the reward is so much greater than the risk. To identify your decision in these scenarios you have to be able to calculate odds.