to push or wait

[Ironside]

comp £500 + £50 LIVE DTD
85 runners start with 7500TC

20 runners left
blinds 1000/2000 with a running ante of 200
your on a table of 7

you have never been above 14k in the whole comp and not had any major hands and have been surving on steals
only once getting a double up with k4 v A2 (blinds)

you have 9900TC and post 200 of that in the ante and are UTG

you get A4o push or not?
if you do push is there any hand you wouldnt push with?
if you dont push what is the minium you would push with?

[boldie]

UTG? no I don't push with it. anyone with a better ace calls....I'd much rather push with suited connecters, or even with complete garbage like you would have been getting before you got to be UTG ..what hands have you had that  you came to be UTG asking whether you should push with A4?

[thetank]

See what you're saying boldie, but there's only six other players on the table so it's more utg than UTG.

I still push in that spot

[Ironside]

UTG? no I don't push with it. anyone with a better ace calls....I'd much rather push with suited connecters, or even with complete garbage like you would have been getting before you got to be UTG ..what hands have you had that  you came to be UTG asking whether you should push with A4?

i was getting no cards and no option to push as the aggressive players were getting in raises before me and i didnt have any chance of them folding
i was looking for any chance to push without looking at cards (or pretending to look) but ash and skalie were raising and if they were steve was sat behind me waiting to call my pushes

[Ironside]

the other option that a couple of people said they would think about is letting the blinds pass giving them 5 hands to find something better but knowing you will get called

my thinking on this is that you know your getting called and even if you do win your still in the same spot 10k

[boldie]

UTG? no I don't push with it. anyone with a better ace calls....I'd much rather push with suited connecters, or even with complete garbage like you would have been getting before you got to be UTG ..what hands have you had that  you came to be UTG asking whether you should push with A4?

i was getting no cards and no option to push as the aggressive players were getting in raises before me and i didnt have any chance of them folding
i was looking for any chance to push without looking at cards (or pretending to look) but ash and skalie were raising and if they were steve was sat behind me waiting to call my pushes

yeah OK..but when you have 7 BB's you're not looking to nick the blinds..you're looking for a double up. So if Ash or Skalie raise I call with 5-7 and 6-8 and all that. All I want is for me to have 2 live cards and for them not to have a pair..(and ussually they won't)..I don't mind them having 2 overcards as I need to take risks to get my double up and this is the time.

I agree about letting the blinds pass being bad BTW (In fact it would be dire) ..I'm just advocating calling with lower cards when an aggressive player pushes and hope for a double up.

edit..the above was of course meant as in how it should have been before you came to be UTG.

[bhoywonder]

im letting this go

but with the knowledge that if u pick up any semblance of even half a hand in either blind....ur going with it...

crunch time and it looks like u need a treble up or even a double double in less than 14 hands

[LuckyLloyd]

Shove now. Shoving now with an Ace and possible fold equity is infinitely preferable to feeling compelled to get it in with much worse hands when in the blinds. Because then if a player enters the pot before it gets to you they aren't folding.

Also, if this tournament is in the UK there is absolutely a good chance that it folds all the way around when you shove.

However, I never allow myself to get to this spot unless I lose a massive showdown the hand before. Your chips should have been in long before this.

[Ironside]

beleive me i tried to get my chips in middle every time i shoved in an orphaned pot it got through apart from the K4 with got called

i did blow a few chips just before when i had to let 66 go after making it 3600 and running them into Tens

i would of loved to have pushed with a weaker hand but the times i did push i never got called and i just havent got the game to call with with i had 3 hands in a row part of the 5 hands out of 9 i had eitehr a full or half wilson

infact i went 30 hands without seeing a card bigger than a 9 and only 5 of the hands were suited and then not conected

easy to say push but when all your chances to push are met without a call (yes i got in a few steals) and your getting nothing to double up with there aint much you can do

[temp0r]

urgh. i'd rather push  than  here if it helps.

[Longy]

Insta shove it really isn't close with the antes.

Your fold equity is still reasonable and presumably your image is tight as, due to being card dead.

My range for shoving is pretty wide, with the antes in play i wouldn't be surprised if shoving 100% is inexploitable. In game i probably shove about top 65%.

Also if you stick this in an ICM calculator of sorts it doesn't take into account the blinds coming round which means shoving here is even more +ev.

[Ironside]

urgh. i'd rather push  than  here if it helps.

me too but would you rather push with A4o utg or call with 93 in LP

[MKKfish]

6 handed and with the situation as it is I don't think you can afford NOT to push.

[Hairydude]

I push here- of course theres a good chance you'll get called by a higher ace but still have outs so think its time to gamble with so little chips-in general with you being so low in chips other players will be aware your making a move and will call with a lot of hands such as suited connectors and hands like KQ, QJ etc

[boldie]

urgh. i'd rather push  than  here if it helps.

me too but would you rather push with A4o utg or call with 93 in LP

call with 93 against serial raisers who are givin me value by pushing out the blunds thereby making sure I get 2.5 times the amount of chips I have now.