Luton "G" Casino, opinions please!

[phatomch]

I would like to point out  it is not head office but the actual casino that decides what they want to spend on each comp/fessie. Head office only ask for a brake down of how much money they expect to make/lose and from there even if it seems they will make a loss the casino can still go ahead.

[TightEnd]

I would like to point out  it is not head office but the actual casino that decides what they want to spend on each comp/fessie. Head office only ask for a brake down of how much money they expect to make/lose and from there even if it seems they will make a loss the casino can still go ahead.

thats incorrect, Head Office has put a spending freeze on the individual clubs as I understand it

[Snatiramas]

I would like to point out  it is not head office but the actual casino that decides what they want to spend on each comp/fessie. Head office only ask for a brake down of how much money they expect to make/lose and from there even if it seems they will make a loss the casino can still go ahead.

Maybe you can clarify for me who sets the budget. The casino or Head Office and based around what parameters

[relaedgc]

Head Office or the upper echelons of management still leaves it well out of our hands, though I am 99% certain that all budgeting is done by Head Office - Certainly they were the ones behind our almost complete stop on advertisements, and they are the ones that set our targets. I am sure the casino has some small amount of room of maneuvre in regards to what it spends but given the state of -our- company, cutbacks are enforced and money is tight.

So even if it's not the norm, I somehow can't help but feel we're heads up against  and we've looked down to find our hole cards as   

We're live, but we're almost certainly behind!

[Snatiramas]

Head Office or the upper echelons of management still leaves it well out of our hands, though I am 99% certain that all budgeting is done by Head Office - Certainly they were the ones behind our almost complete stop on advertisements, and they are the ones that set our targets. I am sure the casino has some small amount of room of maneuvre in regards to what it spends but given the state of -our- company, cutbacks are enforced and money is tight.

So even if it's not the norm, I somehow can't help but feel we're heads up against  and we've looked down to find our hole cards as   

We're live, but we're almost certainly behind!

I feel for you Guys......I really do.....as my old man frequently says to me.......don't let the barstewards grind you down. I suppose at the end of the day Head Office are making decisions that they believe are correct for the business. I do not believe anobody goes to work to do a bad job. I wish they would let me take one site and remarket it for six months so that I could show them what they might be like. If Grosvenor continue to just listen to accountants then their business will go the same way as British Rail......prices up.....costs down.....everybody uses some other form of transport. Everything is already in situ to make more money IMHO it just needs unlocking. I know.....I have a big mouth......come on Grosvenor take me up on it......one site.....6 months

[M3boy]

Oi!!

Less slagging off Accountants if you please!

What they need is a poker playing Accountant

[Snatiramas]

Oi!!

Less slagging off Accountants if you please!

What they need is a poker playing Accountant

My old man then

[dealerFROMhell]

Here it is. In a nutshell.

With all respect to the players comments on this thread, it's difficult to understand the mindset of casino managment unless you've worked alongside them and understand their attitude towards poker. That is, their real attitude towards it, and not that which they convey to the punters. Very few of them understand or give a flying toss about card rooms. If you think it's high on their agenda, then you're mistaken, end of story. I know the game is precious to you, but it's not to them. A cold, hard fact that no amount of debationg will change. It's simply too far down on their list of priorities.

Rank, even with the re-branding, are in deep doo-doo due to ill advised managerial appointments and a lack of foresight about the industry in general. The card room makes sod all compared to the percentage hold of table games, which is what they have to concentrate on if they want to improve their embarassing share price. Accordingly, the poker rooms across the country (Cardiff and Luton being two prime examples, with the formers cancellation of it's GUKPT and the many examples of the latters demise in this thread) are suffering rather badly it seems.

I'm fortunate enough to run a card room within a casino that recognises it's potential worth when run properly, and with sufficient attendance figures of the kind of poker player that will migrate to the casino floor. That is, students and newcomers to our beloved game that are not accustomed to gambling within a casino. Poker has gotten reams of exposure over the past few years, and it's a golden opportunity to capitalise on it.

To draw a comparison, yesterday afternoon I ran a £20 freeze-out that attracted 85 players. Given Swanseas track record in low to mid buy-in poker tournament attendances over the past 5 years (which have traditionally averaged somewhere between 30 to 50 players), it's a very welcoming figure. Now with the £2 juice that I charged, that's not even covering the cost of the dealers for the competition. But what is appealing to the managment is the 85 players that would not have normally walked through the front doors on a Sunday did so, down to a poker competition.

That's what the game can do for the industry if it's well administrated, well promoted and run to even a moderate standard.

[TightEnd]

Oi!!

Less slagging off Accountants if you please!

What they need is a poker playing Accountant

What they need (Grosvenor and Rank plc, not Blue Sq) is long term decision making and investing in their business through tough times. Sadly legislation (smoking ban) and the company's finances dictate otherwise...

[Snatiramas]

Here it is. In a nutshell.

With all respect to the players comments on this thread, it's difficult to understand the mindset of casino managment unless you've worked alongside them and understand their attitude towards poker. That is, their real attitude towards it, and not that which they convey to the punters. Very few of them understand or give a flying toss about card rooms. If you think it's high on their agenda, then you're mistaken, end of story. I know the game is precious to you, but it's not to them. A cold, hard fact that no amount of debationg will change. It's simply too far down on their list of priorities.

Rank, even with the re-branding, are in deep doo-doo due to ill advised managerial appointments and a lack of foresight about the industry in general. The card room makes sod all compared to the percentage hold of table games, which is what they have to concentrate on if they want to improve their embarassing share price. Accordingly, the poker rooms across the country (Cardiff and Luton being two prime examples, with the formers cancellation of it's GUKPT and the many examples of the latters demise in this thread) are suffering rather badly it seems.

I'm fortunate enough to run a card room within a casino that recognises it's potential worth when run properly, and with sufficient attendance figures of the kind of poker player that will migrate to the casino floor. That is, students and newcomers to our beloved game that are not accustomed to gambling within a casino. Poker has gotten reams of exposure over the past few years, and it's a golden opportunity to capitalise on it.

To draw a comparison, yesterday afternoon I ran a £20 freeze-out that attracted 85 players. Given Swanseas track record in low to mid buy-in poker tournament attendances over the past 5 years (which have traditionally averaged somewhere between 30 to 50 players), it's a very welcoming figure. Now with the £2 juice that I charged, that's not even covering the cost of the dealers for the competition. But what is appealing to the managment is the 85 players that would not have normally walked through the front doors on a Sunday did so, down to a poker competition.

That's what the game can do for the industry if it's well administrated, well promoted and run to even a moderate standard.

Good points well made and indeed my comments are not made as a player but a punter....take Luton for example.....massive restaurant.....no punters......how hard can it be to fill a restaurant.........what will a proportion of the diners do after finishing their meal???

[dealerFROMhell]

Good points well made and indeed my comments are not made as a player but a punter....take Luton for example.....massive restaurant.....no punters......how hard can it be to fill a restaurant.........what will a proportion of the diners do after finishing their meal???

I know in London the cuisine within casinos is quite sought after, but i've always wondered why someone would want to go to a casino for a meal.

I dont know, maybe it's just me 

[Snatiramas]

Good points well made and indeed my comments are not made as a player but a punter....take Luton for example.....massive restaurant.....no punters......how hard can it be to fill a restaurant.........what will a proportion of the diners do after finishing their meal???

I know in London the cuisine within casinos is quite sought after, but i've always wondered why someone would want to go to a casino for a meal.

I dont know, maybe it's just me 

Is that because you view the restaurant as a restaurant within a casino instead of a themed restaurant that you might attend on an evening out???

[dealerFROMhell]

Is that because you view the restaurant as a restaurant within a casino instead of a themed restaurant that you might attend on an evening out???

I suppose that's part of it. I guess it just wouldn't have the right kind of ambience.

[relaedgc]

Is that because you view the restaurant as a restaurant within a casino instead of a themed restaurant that you might attend on an evening out???

I suppose that's part of it. I guess it just wouldn't have the right kind of ambience.

Now that the dodgy entertainment has been cut to weekend only, I think it's a nice venue to eat out at. I certainly can't understand why we struggle to fill a table, let alone a restaurant.

Correction. I understand why we struggle to fill a table. The difference is that we shouldn't.

[ihatethevic]

Is that because you view the restaurant as a restaurant within a casino instead of a themed restaurant that you might attend on an evening out???

I suppose that's part of it. I guess it just wouldn't have the right kind of ambience.

Also, any restaurant that would allow you in, isn't worth eating in.