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« on: December 15, 2007, 02:11:37 AM »

The game is a £10 rebuy tourney, its just after the break and its freezeout time.  Your playing a stack of 6k after loosing out to a horrible beat with aces in the last hand before the break.

your in the BB loosey-goosey-fishy player makes it 600 to go from MP blinds are 200/400, he's liable to get all his chips in with any 2.  Played against him on a number of occasions he perceives you to be TAG, in this session he has seen you play 3 hands in 90 minutes.  AK, AQ, AA you have won one pot and lost two.  you call the extra 400 and the two of you see a flop.

Just before the restart the table is having a conversation about the hand you where in previous that seen your Aces turned over by J 7 you where making the point that it was a donkey call from the player because he must put you on a hand with your table image you then start remiding the table of the 3 hands you have played. 

Flop comes down as 5 J K rainbow, you check your TPTK - you have this loosey goosey player on 22 - 99, A8 + you check the flop he leads out for 1500 with 1300 in the pot.  Immediately your rulling out 55 - thinking something like 77, 88, 99 and you push for 5100 more hoping that he leaves it be and you can slowly start to rebuild a stack.

He starts humming and hawing telling you he thinks you have a K, especially after all the talk before i know you have a K he says but I only have 15 x BB here I have to call he sticks it in and turns over AJ.

Logic?  He knows he's behind does he think he might have extra outs with the A?  Does he put me on KQ, KT, surely he doesnt call if he thinks I have KJ.  Given that for much of the previous 90 minuts you passed your BB willingly to any raise.
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2007, 02:28:00 AM »

sounds like the mint bingo rebuy outdraw to me


I once got aces last hand before the break..silly me

i played it and lost 75% of my stack.....



in this game when u identify ur donkey.....just wait and bet out on every street when u have it and see if they come along for the ride and hopefully lady luck is on ur side...its hard to bluff as i think you have found out in the early stages...
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2007, 02:59:11 AM »

sounds like the mint bingo rebuy outdraw to me


I once got aces last hand before the break..silly me

i played it and lost 75% of my stack.....



in this game when u identify ur donkey.....just wait and bet out on every street when u have it and see if they come along for the ride and hopefully lady luck is on ur side...its hard to bluff as i think you have found out in the early stages...

Deffo mate, I never took  a rebuy apart from starting with double chips, was hapy to try and play small pots early doors but went 15 hands without even putting in a bet i seen some crazy play was hoping to get in cheaply with position but most pots where 10 x bb to enter LMAO!!

The hand with AQ i re-raised all in from the CO because original bettor had set himself in blind and i never wanted to play the pot against more than one player.  I thought my AQ was good he turns over KQ one mug says I passed a K other guy says me too I think happy days, first card out case fecking K!!  LOL - couldn't make it up.

But back to hand in question.  What we thinking about that?
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2007, 06:43:34 AM »

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your in the BB loosey-goosey-fishy player makes it 600 to go from MP blinds are 200/400, he's liable to get all his chips in with any 2.  Played against him on a number of occasions he perceives you to be TAG, in this session he has seen you play 3 hands in 90 minutes.  AK, AQ, AA you have won one pot and lost two.  you call the extra 400 and the two of you see a flop.


The half min raise would set off alarm bells for me. He's so desperate to get people into the pot that he makes an illegal underraise. I put him on AA+....hehe only joking I guess you meant 100 200 Smiley

Anyway, here are my thoughts on the hand.

I think you should be re-popping him preflop with A-K. He's a loose player and has any two cards from your description. You're a solid favourite here and I'd make him pay to hit with his bag of random gonads. Although a 30 BB shove seems like a lot I think it's not that bad. You add over 10% to your stack, and given your history with villain and his loose nature he is I'm sure very capable of stacking off with hands like AJ AQ AT here, and possibly worse.


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Flop comes down as 5 J K rainbow, you check your TPTK - you have this loosey goosey player on 22 - 99, A8 + you check the flop he leads out for 1500 with 1300 in the pot.  Immediately your rulling out 55 - thinking something like 77, 88, 99 and you push for 5100 more hoping that he leaves it be and you can slowly start to rebuild a stack.

He starts humming and hawing telling you he thinks you have a K, especially after all the talk before i know you have a K he says but I only have 15 x BB here I have to call he sticks it in and turns over AJ.

Logic?  He knows he's behind does he think he might have extra outs with the A?  Does he put me on KQ, KT, surely he doesnt call if he thinks I have KJ.  Given that for much of the previous 90 minuts you passed your BB willingly to any raise.


After you flat call, I don't mind how you played it, check raise his likely continuation bet BUT I hate this bit!

"Immediately your rulling out 55 - thinking something like 77, 88, 99 and you push for 5100 more hoping that he leaves it be and you can slowly start to rebuild a stack."

If you really think he has a hand like 77 88 99(not sure I would given the action but you know the player better), you desperately want him to call. He has 2 outs, you are very unlikely to find a better spot to rebuild your stack than this. It's better than AA v KK preflop... As it is, he gives a horrible justification for stacking off with 2nd pair and calls. Happy days! You can go through various reasons why he might have done this but prob best to just stick with the fact that most players who play poker are rubbish and are desperately looking for reasons to get into bad gambling spots.

(I assume he won the hand though?)

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Just before the restart the table is having a conversation about the hand you where in previous that seen your Aces turned over by J 7 you where making the point that it was a donkey call from the player because he must put you on a hand with your table image you then start remiding the table of the 3 hands you have played. 


I know you were pissed off you lost with your aces but you should encourage this sort of play, especially if you are playing very rocky. You want a loose table which will give you action on your big hands and berating players for overplaying stuff like J-7 is usually not the best way to do this.

Say things like "Wow it was a brave move but man it paid off. You got a mighty pair of cojones on you there kid, good job" and maybe give him a playful punch on the arm. As long as he doesn't think you are coming onto him, he'll feel all relaxed and happy making stupid plays and generally giving his money away.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2007, 09:42:46 AM »

Jungle seems to have hit the nail on the head.

3 bet preflop to about 1800 or shove. I actually prefer shoving as any 3bet gets you pot stuck and you miss this flop 2/3 times. As played check raise all in is completely standard IMO.

While we are guilty of results orientated thinking, I certainly am at times. Playing good/winning poker is about decisions long term, so suck it up and profit.
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