Horrible spot. What do you think is correct course of action?

[AlexMartin]

Villain is unknown. Just sat down at table. Posted it coz i dont normally go so far with this type of hand or play such a big pot in such a marginal spot. Q is, what do you think Villain has?



GAME #778445447: Texas Hold'em NL $2.00/$4.00 2007-12-30 18:40:35
Table Stevens Point
Seat 1: GGrinderr ($383.60 in chips)
Seat 3: Elbemal ($412.10 in chips)
Seat 5: sbcali ($480.42 in chips)
Seat 6: nikinblinds ($952.54 in chips)
Seat 8: jumponjoe ($581.50 in chips)
Seat 10: GB904150 ($512.90 in chips) DEALER
GGrinderr: Post SB $2.00
Elbemal: Post BB $4.00

Holecards:
Dealt to nikinblinds [ SA   ]
Dealt to GB904150 [ ****]
FOLD sbcali
nikinblinds : Raise $12.00
FOLD jumponjoe
GB904150: Call $12.00
FOLD GGrinderr
FOLD Elbemal

Flop:
[ ]
nikinblinds : Bet $20.00
GB904150: Raise $60.00
nikinblinds : Raise $140.00
GB904150: Call $100.00

Turn:
[   ]
nikinblinds : Bet $250.00
GB904150: Allin $340.90
nikinblinds : Call $90.90

[jezza777]

overpair ?

[boldie]

I would take villain for JJ, 8-10 or 7-9 here..either way you should be miles behind.

edit..i posted 8-10 only  but it's of course 7-9 that makes the straight..you should still be miles behind and I don't understand the push on the turn...only a hand that is beating you calls here (as the old saying goes)

[GlasgowBandit]

I would be very suprised if he never had AA/KK or bottom set. 

I think you post this because your amazed with the way he plays the hand which suggests he had some sort of draw that failed to hit or a pair lower than T's.  I really dunno though I feel confused by it all.  Flat calls pre-flop raise/calls the flop and then pushes against your bet on the turn. 

Does he realistically expect you to fold for $90 with what you have invested in the pot and the size of the pot.

[GlasgowBandit]

I would take villain for JJ, 8-10 or 7-9 here..either way you should be miles behind.

edit..i posted 8-10 only  but it's of course 7-9 that makes the straight..you should still be miles behind and I don't understand the push on the turn...only a hand that is beating you calls here (as the old saying goes)

Your back early what happened?

[boldie]

I would take villain for JJ, 8-10 or 7-9 here..either way you should be miles behind.

edit..i posted 8-10 only  but it's of course 7-9 that makes the straight..you should still be miles behind and I don't understand the push on the turn...only a hand that is beating you calls here (as the old saying goes)

Your back early what happened?

I'm an idiot that's what happened was doing fairly nicely on the table and then I couldn't resist sticking all my chips in the middle on an a44Q board with AJ  against the annoying old timer (that shouted "get in there" after donking someone out earlier) that quite clearly had AK..he could not have another hand and I F'ed up simply because I didn't prepare well enough (not eating before a tourney means I always F up )

140 runners though 22k prizepool 7k for first..I hope they run this one more often.

[boldie]

Does he realistically expect you to fold for $90 with what you have invested in the pot and the size of the pot.

no he's expecting Alex to pay him off..and he did The guy should never be behind to A10 here..ever...not in a million years....make that a billion.

[GlasgowBandit]

Does he realistically expect you to fold for $90 with what you have invested in the pot and the size of the pot.

no he's expecting Alex to pay him off..and he did The guy should never be behind to A10 here..ever...not in a million years....make that a billion.

Normally I would agree, i think Alex win this hand.

[temp0r]

gotta be behind once that re-raise on the flop has been called at least 3 out of 4 times to a regular.
the holiday period does throw up some amusing newbies though... which i'm guessing this guy was?

[Ironside]

i think villian has JT or T9

[cooker3]

I don't like this against an unknown, if he calls your 3bet on the flop then your generally crushed.
As for what he had, well I'd normall say a set but seeing you posted it, JT-99 or some weird crap like that is probably about right

[The_Diamond]

The only reason to call preflop is if you're on a particularly loose fishy table, otherwise pump it to $45-50 or fold. Either would be fine. Cold calling preflop is most likely the worst of your options.

Postflop: why raise the flop? Just call.

As played the villain looks a lot like having 22/88.

[AlexMartin]

The only reason to call preflop is if you're on a particularly loose fishy table, otherwise pump it to $45-50 or fold. Either would be fine. Cold calling preflop is most likely the worst of your options.

Postflop: why raise the flop? Just call.

As played the villain looks a lot like having 22/88.

Hi Diamond. Please read the HH accurately before posting m8 .

[Longy]

Im noting a pattern here Alex, you seem to be very keen to bet/3bet pots oop on flop/preflop instead of using some form of pot control and trying to get a cheaper showdown with a marginal hand.Maybe its just a sample size of hands you have posted on here.

You don't want to be building a massive pot here, your hand isn't that strong. You allow people to play better against you with lines like this, as you end up folding out the worse hands and paying off the better hands, unless your opponent is a maniac.

In my opinion, I would flat the flop raise and reasses the turn. This is a tricky spot that you are making trickier with this line, of course when the fish shows k10,q10,j10 you like a genius but most opponents will pass these to the 3bet on the flop. Whereas you can get value from these hands by taking a more defensive line.

[Ironside]

at a 2nd reading i am still happy with my assigning of JT or T9 but i am also going to throw A8c into the mixer