Delicately dissing dtd

[RED-DOG]

OK. Before I get to the point of this post, let me set my stall out.

In my humble opinion, dtd is to poker players what sliced bread is to mothers. i.e. the best thing that has happened for a very long time. It is a dream that, almost through sheer will power, became a reality. It continues to break new ground on a weekly basis, and it has already become a legend in it's own short lifetime. It is, and will continue to be. the benchmark against which all other card rooms are judged.

Now, indulge me if you will for a just few moments longer while I speak about  Simon Trumper. Never was someone more suited to a job than he to this one. He gives it 100% all of the time. Nothing in that card room escapes his attention. The tournament is sold out, there are 40 reserves clamouring for a seat, 2 sit and go's and 6 cash games running, with 3 more waiting to start, Simon still notices an empty plate or a tea cup, and  he clears it away. He has constantly tweaked the structures of the weekly competitions so that we get as much play as possible in the time available. Simon is a poker player, he's on our side.

So, I'm pro dtd, right? Now I'll get down to the nitty gritty. I spoke to Simon last night about the structure for Saturday's £500 two day event. I thought it was a bit quick. To cut a long story short, I thought that it was possible to do better than a 40 minute clock and 7k starting chips, and as I understood it, Simon agreed. But, (and I'm sure that he will correct me if I'm wrong) He seemed to be of the opinion that if he gave us more chips and a longer clock, it would leave him with nothing extra to offer for festival events.

I have to say that this is an argument that I have heard before, from both cardroom managers and players alike) But I disagree, I think you should give the players the best structure possible regardless.

To sum up, I think Saturday's £500 could have a longer clock and more chips, and I don't think a £1500 event would be devalued because a £500 event had the same structure.

[kinboshi]

To sum up, I think Saturday's £500 could have a longer clock and more chips, and I don't think a £1500 event would be devalued because a £500 event had the same structure.

It wouldn't be.  People want to play events with decent structures at all levels of buy-in.  The £1,500 event would remain the 'blue riband' event - purely because of the buy-in.

[Colchester Kev]

Tom ... a question.

If the 500 event sells out with the advertised structure then it is a success, if by changing the structure to one that you would prefer means it still sells out fine ... but why change the structure for a comp that will inevitably sell out ... it makes sense to have a hook for a festival event IMO , and by saving the structure for a flag ship event gives it maketability (is that a word by the way ?)

Its like planning an online comp, running a tipping league, running a fantasy football league etc etc etc ... there will always be people who think their way is better ... but these people are never the ones to actually get off their arses and do the organising , they just want to change the original plans of someone elses efforts.


personally ... and this is only MY personal opinion, I get knobbed off with all the structure moaning and groaning, if people want an event that is structured the way they want , then why dont they run one themselves.. if its a structure that every player in the world will toss themselves off over, then you will be on to a winner.

[kinboshi]

Marketablity might be a word...

[Colchester Kev]

Marketablity might be a word...

marketablity, marketability, maketability ... its all the bleeding same

[Colchester Kev]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"…


he was quite a clever bloke wasnt he.

[madasahatstand]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"…


he was quite a clever bloke wasnt he.

is that what he said? lol

[Colchester Kev]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"…


he was quite a clever bloke wasnt he.

is that what he said? lol

you know, i always thought it was Lincoln that said that, but your post made me google it and it seems it wasnt Lincoln, it was a poet called John Lydgate

here is the full quote both from Lincoln and John Lydgate

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
to Lincoln. Actually, that particular quote belongs to the poet John Lydgate. But he wasn't too far off, because Lincoln did say:
You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

[madasahatstand]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"…


he was quite a clever bloke wasnt he.

is that what he said? lol

you know, i always thought it was Lincoln that said that, but your post made me google it and it seems it wasnt Lincoln, it was a poet called John Lydgate

here is the full quote both from Lincoln and John Lydgate

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
to Lincoln. Actually, that particular quote belongs to the poet John Lydgate. But he wasn't too far off, because Lincoln did say:
You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

and i thought it was......................

You fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time... and the rest of the time they make fools of themselves.


lolol, also found it on google and thought it was funny:)

[RED-DOG]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"…


he was quite a clever bloke wasnt he.

is that what he said? lol

you know, i always thought it was Lincoln that said that, but your post made me google it and it seems it wasnt Lincoln, it was a poet called John Lydgate

here is the full quote both from Lincoln and John Lydgate

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
to Lincoln. Actually, that particular quote belongs to the poet John Lydgate. But he wasn't too far off, because Lincoln did say:
You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

Perhaps if he had been a little more eloquent, he would have said

if its a structure that every player in the world will toss themselves off over, then you will be on to a winner.

[Colchester Kev]

Abraham Lincoln once said that "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time"…


he was quite a clever bloke wasnt he.

is that what he said? lol

you know, i always thought it was Lincoln that said that, but your post made me google it and it seems it wasnt Lincoln, it was a poet called John Lydgate

here is the full quote both from Lincoln and John Lydgate

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
to Lincoln. Actually, that particular quote belongs to the poet John Lydgate. But he wasn't too far off, because Lincoln did say:
You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

Perhaps if he had been a little more eloquent, he would have said

if its a structure that every player in the world will toss themselves off over, then you will be on to a winner.

I was quite proud of that particular quote ... and i didnt have to spell check it either

[77dave]

I agree Tom that we put up our money so we should get a decent structure as a reward for our outlay

Dont you think though that too many comps these days try to overcompensate and give to many chips with too many levels and too long a clock

comps were originally designed to get people to turn up, get knocked out and let the venue generate money from the cash games.

None of us want crapshoots but nutfests isnt the way to go either

surely too much of something can be as bad as too little

[RED-DOG]

Tom ... a question.

If the 500 event sells out with the advertised structure then it is a success, if by changing the structure to one that you would prefer means it still sells out fine ... but why change the structure for a comp that will inevitably sell out ... it makes sense to have a hook for a festival event IMO , and by saving the structure for a flag ship event gives it maketability (is that a word by the way ?)

Its like planning an online comp, running a tipping league, running a fantasy football league etc etc etc ... there will always be people who think their way is better ... but these people are never the ones to actually get off their arses and do the organising , they just want to change the original plans of someone elses efforts.


personally ... and this is only MY personal opinion, I get knobbed off with all the structure moaning and groaning, if people want an event that is structured the way they want , then why dont they run one themselves.. if its a structure that every player in the world will toss themselves off over, then you will be on to a winner.

Kev...

I know of loads of events with truly horrible structures that sell out, but as I see it, that isn't what dtd is about. it's about providing the best possible value for the players.

I don't really understand the "Why don't they organise one themselves" question. Rob Young spent millions so that he could do it his way, I don't have that option. Where/how would I possibly organise it myself?

You say that I  just want to change the original plans of someone elses efforts. Why would I want to do that if I thought it was a great structure.



I don't see it as moaning and groaning, I see it as my personal opinion, just like you see yours

You seem to assume that I'm attacking dtd, I'm not.

[RED-DOG]

Dont you think though that too many comps these days try to overcompensate and give to many chips with too many levels and too long a clock

Which ones are they Jim?

[77dave]

I played the £500 last week at s'end

i believe it was 10k in chips with levels

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400

as i say im not looking for crap shoots but i also want to be able to put people under pressure for there chips

i think luton has gone too far with there comps the final started at 4.50am on boxing day  (im at the point where i have stopped playing them as too many people are passing there way to the final )

This £500 comp at DTD is a special one off event so for me i think it should have as good a strucutre as any because it is a headlining event